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bk · Post by bk » Sat May 23, 2026 3:40 pm

BONES wrote: Fri May 22, 2026 11:36 pm If you can't even get your fact straight, what is the point of you?

That's a classic Bones line if I ever heard one. Made me chuckle

HTT · Post by **HTT** » Sat May 23, 2026 9:13 pm

Copyright and trademarks about shapes/colors of guitars and parts has been going on for decades. If luthiers can't come up with new body/headstock shapes for customers then the issue is on them, not Fender. Jackson and Charvel and others had super strats but came up with different body/headstocks. Smart move. Back in the 60s and 70s everyone was coming up with new body shapes. The Ibanez Iceman for one. Meanwhile, Dimarzio has a trademark on double cream-colored humbucker pickup bobbins, like Gibson had under the pickup covers of the vintage PAFs. https://www.dimarzio.com/story/dimarzio ... -trademark Where is the outrage? These influencers are just pitching 3-years-old level tantrums for clicks and monetization. Get over it

JasonSpatola · Post by **JasonSpatola** » Sat May 23, 2026 9:38 pm

Fender kinda Native Instrumentsed themselves over the past couple o' decades. Used to be huuuuge but now nobody really cares about them anymore.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat May 23, 2026 9:59 pm

HTT wrote: Sat May 23, 2026 9:13 pm Copyright and trademarks about shapes/colors of guitars and parts has been going on for decades. If luthiers can't come up with new body/headstock shapes for customers then the issue is on them, not Fender. Jackson and Charvel and others had super strats but came up with different body/headstocks. Smart move. Back in the 60s and 70s everyone was coming up with new body shapes. The Ibanez Iceman for one. Meanwhile, Dimarzio has a trademark on double cream-colored humbucker pickup bobbins, like Gibson had under the pickup covers of the vintage PAFs. https://www.dimarzio.com/story/dimarzio ... -trademark Where is the outrage? These influencers are just pitching 3-years-old level tantrums for clicks and monetization. Get over it

Your post would bear more significance and relevance if you had even just the first clue what you are talking about. It also would reduce the amount of bullshit,nonsense and misinformation you produce while typing.

(Hint: for starters, perhaps look up what "trademark" actually means.)

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Sun May 24, 2026 6:43 am

jens wrote: Sat May 23, 2026 9:59 pm
HTT wrote: Sat May 23, 2026 9:13 pm Copyright and trademarks about shapes/colors of guitars and parts has been going on for decades. If luthiers can't come up with new body/headstock shapes for customers then the issue is on them, not Fender. Jackson and Charvel and others had super strats but came up with different body/headstocks. Smart move. Back in the 60s and 70s everyone was coming up with new body shapes. The Ibanez Iceman for one. Meanwhile, Dimarzio has a trademark on double cream-colored humbucker pickup bobbins, like Gibson had under the pickup covers of the vintage PAFs. https://www.dimarzio.com/story/dimarzio ... -trademark Where is the outrage? These influencers are just pitching 3-years-old level tantrums for clicks and monetization. Get over it

Your post would bear more significance and relevance if you had even just the first clue what you are talking about. It also would reduce the amount of bullshit,nonsense and misinformation you produce while typing.

(Hint: for starters, perhaps look up what "trademark" actually means.)

Where is he wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun May 24, 2026 7:17 am

lfm wrote: Sun May 24, 2026 6:43 am Where is he wrong?

For starters, the Panart Hang aside (which still seems to be in litigation or so), the Stratocaster would be to the best of my knowledge the first instrument ever to be copyrighted; it certainly would be the first generic instrument. So for guitars it never happened. Again: the instrument needs to be recognized as a work of art (which as I mentioned before would be something Leo Fender would certainly totally object to. So think about the sheer disrespect to a dead man's heritage alone... )

Then: a trademark is something else entirely. It would be a good start to try to comprehend what a trademark is, especially as opposed to what a piece of art it. Both being a form of IP-aside, they are unrelated to each other. So what he did by mentioning the diMarzio trademark-claim was to refer to something unrelated that is also highly questionably in order to seek to justify some act that is completely questionable. It's kind of like saying "Why should it not be okay that he murdered his wife? Happens all the time - after all there's this guy across the street who took half a million from his company's bank-account. So deal with it."

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun May 24, 2026 11:08 pm

I keep telling you, you don't "copyright" something. Copy right exists all on it's own, it does not have to be created. If you can prove you made something first and someone else copied it, you will always win the court case, You don't have to lodge a notice of copyright or fill out a form, the copyright simply exists on any original work. Trademarks and patents are just legal instruments which you can use to prove prior ownership.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon May 25, 2026 1:00 am

BONES wrote: Sun May 24, 2026 11:08 pm I keep telling you, you don't "copyright" something. Copy right exists all on it's own, it does not have to be created. If you can prove you made something first and someone else copied it, you will always win the court case, You don't have to lodge a notice of copyright or fill out a form, the copyright simply exists on any original work.

What part of "for that it first has to be recognized as a piece of art, which for something as utilitarian as a guitar body is so far unheard of" do you have troubles to get your head around?

I think you understand fairly well the difference between design patents and copyright and what the general idea behind each of these two is, and what kind of creations both are meant for.

You simply prefer to remain ignorant - for whatever reason. So you do you.
But if you at some point decide to be as wild and crazy as to get your head out of your arse for a radical change, I left some links here in this thread for you to ponder.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon May 25, 2026 1:33 am

A few more thoughts I want to leave here while I am at it:

A copyright lasts until 70years after the death of the creator. This is actually meant to benefit the creator plus two generations of heirs ie. the creator and their family. In the case of considering the Strat a piece of art, which again
Leo Fender never meant for it to be, Fender's copyright claim would affect G&L too, had they not ceased operation last year.
Phyllis Fender, Leo's wife remained a chairwoman of G&L until her death in 2020. I.e. ( assuming she still owned part of the company) the copyright claim could have affected her negatively.

Anyway: had Leo died let's say in a car accident not too long after creating the Strat, there'd be no case whatsover right now. But since he lived a relatively long life after selling Fender, the copyright - if accepted as applicable - would remain intact for roughly another 35year.

And if at least Phyllis would still be alive, she could say her part and testify that the Strat (or any of Leo's numerous other creations) was never intended to be considered art at all in any way whatsoever but even then they'd still argue that it nonetheless is, in hope of this giving them powerful leverage against a vast landscape of competitors (with many of them being far more innovative than they are), including the company (would it not have folded recently) that Leo Fender considered the culmination of his life's work.

Their dirty legal scheming might work out for Fender after all (I sure hope it doesn't or that even if it does they'll end up in insolvency soon), but that doesn't make it any less perverse and immoral.

Morgaxx · Post by **Morgaxx** » Mon May 25, 2026 3:18 am

I think it was/is Disney that drove the copyright period from 50 to 70 years as their first bunch of profitable material came close to being 50 years old. People were upset that an evil corporation could decide international thinking in such a way.

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Mon May 25, 2026 8:57 am

Leo Fender created so much amazing stuff . I wonder who created the dreadnaught acoustic shape ? Lol

I think Fender has got a little silly here . I think kids are NOT playing guitars as much as playing on there(their )

phones and other crap .

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Mon May 25, 2026 9:07 am

*their*

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Mon May 25, 2026 9:11 am

there their and theyre .

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Mon May 25, 2026 9:12 am

there you go

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Mon May 25, 2026 9:14 am

I'm not college material or smarter than a 5th grader material either .

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