Zebra 3.0 - out now

[EvilDragon]

I mean, it could work another way, as suggested. If any voice is active, it doesn't retrigger. Would need to be a new mode.

[SamDi]

Yeah, but more important is the free running mode

[EvilDragon]

That would basically give it to ya.

[Urs]

I don't see the benefit...? This request is a real head scratcher for us. Sounds like something that two or three preset ideas might benefit from, but do they really? And if so, what makes it so impossible to achieve with the built-in means beyond MSEGs?

[SamDi]

That would basically give it to ya.

But how? Then I need all the time an active voice to keep it running and not to die?

I don't see the benefit...? This request is a real head scratcher for us. Sounds like something that two or three preset ideas might benefit from, but do they really? And if so, what makes it so impossible to achieve with the built-in means beyond MSEGs?

I don't get it. I am not aware of any synth, which has MSEGs and where these are not syncable to DAW's tempo, like 2,4 or 8 bar loops or which can not run freely without beeing reset by any note. So obviously it seems to be useful.
Is it so exotic to wanna have a free defineable modulation shape, looping over 4 or 8 bars or completely free, like sweeps, wobble patterns, etc. beside the standard LFO shapes?

[exmatproton]

I don't get it. I am not aware of any synth, which has MSEGs and where these are not syncable to DAW's tempo, like 2,4 or 8 bar loops or which can not run freely without beeing reset by any note. So obviously it seems to be useful.
Is it so exotic to wanna have a free defineable modulation shape, looping over 4 or 8 bars or completely free, like sweeps, wobble patterns, etc. beside the standard LFO shapes?

No..that is 't exotic at all and that is a feature request i wanted to see implemented since the first beta.

[EvilDragon]

Are you talking about the MSEG simply being locked to song position pointer, as it loops around? That'd also give consistent renders...

That definitely WOULD be a welcome option to have.

[SamDi]

YES. In my understanding this is pretty common standard for MSEGs

[exmatproton]

Are you talking about the MSEG simply being locked to song position pointer, as it loops around? That'd also give consistent renders...

That definitely WOULD be a welcome option to have.

Indeed. Check the mseg's on Pigments for instance. They have a 'run' option. It just locks in with the host playhead. Can be looped in time, or in bpm. The ones on Rapid can do the same. The ones on Phaseplant are actually LFO's, but one can customize the LFO shape. In Serum(2) the same...etc etc...

[pdxindy]

I don't get it. I am not aware of any synth, which has MSEGs and where these are not syncable to DAW's tempo

Do any of those other synths have MSEG's that can morph between curves with the curves each having their own loop points?

Thinking about it hurts my brain, but I suspect it's not possible to sync Zebra 3 MSEG's to DAW tempo.

[ptnah]

I don't see the benefit...? This request is a real head scratcher for us. Sounds like something that two or three preset ideas might benefit from, but do they really? And if so, what makes it so impossible to achieve with the built-in means beyond MSEGs?

It’s incredibly useful in sequenced music.
I wrote about it at length already a few pages back.
Maybe most objectives could be reached with some combination of the available modulators or external mod sources, but the point is to have it available in a quick, straightforward and visual way, since it is utilized so frequently in working on real-world tracks, not so much in presets, sound design, or manually played performances.
Please, Urs, with the utmost respect, can't you just give it to us?
As I said before, the demand is clearly there.
We all love Zebra and want to use it even more often.

[EvilDragon]

Do any of those other synths have MSEG's that can morph between curves with the curves each having their own loop points?

That is completely inconsequential to the feature request. The feature request is simply about locking the phase of the MSEG to the song position pointer. It's not rocket science. We do it in Surge XT when you set "Freerun" mode of the LFO/MSEG.

[exmatproton]

Do any of those other synths have MSEG's that can morph between curves with the curves each having their own loop points?

That is completely inconsequential to the feature request. The feature request is simply about locking the phase of the MSEG to the song position pointer. It's not rocket science. We do it in Surge XT when you set "Freerun" mode of the LFO/MSEG.

jup

[exmatproton]

I don't get it. I am not aware of any synth, which has MSEGs and where these are not syncable to DAW's tempo

Do any of those other synths have MSEG's that can morph between curves with the curves each having their own loop points?

Thinking about it hurts my brain, but I suspect it's not possible to sync Zebra 3 MSEG's to DAW tempo.

an alternative which could be implemented is a free-draw LFO curve. I mean, the LFO's can run without being (re-)triggered by midi input. Though, that would be less powerful compared to the flexible MSEG's in Z3

[SamDi]

Do any of those other synths have MSEG's that can morph between curves with the curves each having their own loop points?

Thinking about it hurts my brain, but I suspect it's not possible to sync Zebra 3 MSEG's to DAW tempo.

Phase Plant has LFO tables, where LFOs are freely drawable. In Serum you can at least change curve a little bit by modulating corner points and bendings of the curves.

Anyway, should have nothing to do with how a curve/MSEG is synced or reset.

That is completely inconsequential to the feature request. The feature request is simply about locking the phase of the MSEG to the song position pointer. It's not rocket science. We do it in Surge XT when you set "Freerun" mode of the LFO/MSEG.

Yeah and for the sake of technical completeness to be able to run MSEGs completely free (unsynced and not reset). If you'd ask me, what could be a reasonable use-case - don't know - I don't use completely free modulators. Somehow they are always kind of synced.

But just because I don't use it, doesn't mean it isn't useful. Maybe it's cool for some drone/generating stuff to have slow running MSEGs over time without needing them to keep active with a note.