Zebra 3.0 - out now

[exmatproton]

By that logic, why have LFOs at all? It could all be drawn in via automation, no?

If all automations/modulation would happen in the host, a preset would be kinda hard to share, right? I mean, if i do a collab it is often with people who use different daw's from mine. So native modulation sources in a plugin are really (REALLY) handy when sharing presets for certain projects

[exmatproton]

The problem is, I'm pretty convinced that adding yet another set of 4 spline editors is going to be overkill in itself. The LFOs (like the envelopes) draw strength from their simplicity. Hence we're discussing other options, but nothing we're going to rush.

i feel a sense of underkill when using Z3 at the moment..so i don't share that feeling/thought Not saying that i am underwhelmed btw...It is an awesome synth, 100%

[Urs]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around it: The heart of the feature request solely applies to polyphonic patches that are played in a melodic fashion (i.e. not held chords) with long release phases that are overlapping attacks of new notes, where some form of complex rhythmic pattern is applied globally in sync to the host tempo, and that complex rhythmic pattern needs the spline based MSEG

Hey, as I have Serum 1 (don't want to upgrade to 2, sorry, also won't install anything else), I'd be interested in a few compelling example presets that musically make sense (no random wobbles), and which by design can't be represented in Zebra 3 for the above reason.

[EvilDragon]

The problem is, I'm pretty convinced that adding yet another set of 4 spline editors is going to be overkill in itself. The LFOs (like the envelopes) draw strength from their simplicity. Hence we're discussing other options, but nothing we're going to rush.

Well, they don't have to be always shown. Z2 only showed additional editor when you picked the user waveform, which was nice.

[pdxindy]

Nah. Wavetable LFO is awesome and unique.

We already have morphing MSEG's and they work better than wavetable LFO's.

[EvilDragon]

You're missing the point.

[exmatproton]

Hey, as I have Serum 1 (don't want to upgrade to 2, sorry, also won't install anything else), I'd be interested in a few compelling example presets that musically make sense (no random wobbles), and which by design can't be represented in Zebra 3 for the above reason.

moved to Serum2..so all i can do is upload an audio example i did with Pigments. Utilizing all 3 lfo's, 3 random mod's, and 3 mseg's in 'run' mode. A similar kind of example can be made with Serum2.
Starts without the 3 MSEG's which i open slowly

[loctune]

Nah. Wavetable LFO is awesome and unique.

We already have morphing MSEG's and they work better than wavetable LFO's.

Not even close. The MSEG is unipolar only already makes it far less useful as LFO. Morphable MSEG looks cool on paper but you’d need 3 modulators to have your morphable MSEG running like a simple bipolar wavetable LFO. It’s a workflow nightmare.

[Urs]

Hey, as I have Serum 1 (don't want to upgrade to 2, sorry, also won't install anything else), I'd be interested in a few compelling example presets that musically make sense (no random wobbles), and which by design can't be represented in Zebra 3 for the above reason.

moved to Serum2..so all i can do is upload an audio example i did with Pigments. Utilizing all 3 lfo's, 3 random mod's, and 3 mseg's in 'run' mode. A similar kind of example can be made with Serum2.
Starts without the 3 MSEG's which i open slowly

Thank you. I must admit I have difficulties understanding the musical significance of the MSEGs here. A preset would be more valuable to me...

[exmatproton]

Hey, as I have Serum 1 (don't want to upgrade to 2, sorry, also won't install anything else), I'd be interested in a few compelling example presets that musically make sense (no random wobbles), and which by design can't be represented in Zebra 3 for the above reason.

moved to Serum2..so all i can do is upload an audio example i did with Pigments. Utilizing all 3 lfo's, 3 random mod's, and 3 mseg's in 'run' mode. A similar kind of example can be made with Serum2.
Starts without the 3 MSEG's which i open slowly

Thank you. I must admit I have difficulties understanding the musical significance of the MSEGs here. A preset would be more valuable to me...

Yeah..i figured. you don't have pigments?

[Urs]

Yeah..i figured. you don't have pigments?

Honestly, I don't know. I can check next week when I'm back in the office.

[ptnah]

By that logic, why have LFOs at all? It could all be drawn in via automation, no?

If all automations/modulation would happen in the host, a preset would be kinda hard to share, right? I mean, if i do a collab it is often with people who use different daw's from mine. So native modulation sources in a plugin are really (REALLY) handy when sharing presets for certain projects

you seem to be missing the context of the qoute and are making my point. i fully agree with you.

[DNTK]

Am I correct in understanding that what you're looking for isn't an enhanced MSEG, but rather a motion sequencer?

[ptnah]

Am I correct in understanding that what you're looking for isn't an enhanced MSEG, but rather a motion sequencer?

you could call it that, yes.
or we could see it as synth-internal automation clips, like bitwig offers on DAW-level.
in a way, it would be a rather de-hanced MSEG, missing the att/rel phases and wave-internal looppoints, but being note on/off agnostic.
i guess, the confusion comes from the MSEG-interface already being so close to what a motion seq/automation clip/custom lfo would look like.
it would be awesome.

[DNTK]

It's great that MSEG can run in Motion Sequencer mode, but it would be even better if a Motion Sequence Module were included.
While it might be possible to achieve this using existing modules, I would prefer to use a more user-friendly module if one were available.