What’s your go-to plate reverb for snare ?

[BackInCheck]

Soundtoys (Little) Plate, Arturia Plate-140 and UAD Pure Plate. Got all of them for free and they are all in a similar ballpark. Sometimes one works slightly better for a specific scenario. I also use impulse responses for plate reverb very often, since they work great.

[Scarlet Pumpernickel]

For long tails: Soundtoys "SuperPlate" or UAD "Pure Plate" for plate, mixed with Relab "Sonsig Rev A" or "LX480" for room.
For ambiance (to add definition), I like Eventide "SP2016" (e.g. for brushes).

[Tubeman]

You can’t go wrong with UVI Plate. It can be any plate you want.

Have you compared it to UVI SparkVerb's plate(s)? I especially like the preset "EMTribute".

[jamcat]

Have you compared it to UVI SparkVerb's plate(s)? I especially like the preset "EMTribute".

I haven’t. I actually own SparkVerb as well, since they gave it away for free here a little while ago, but I haven’t used it much. Generally, I limit myself to reverbs that either physically model real spaces or electro-mechanical devices, or ones that faithfully recreate classic rack effect algorithms.

[TS-12]

How is UA EMT-140 by today ? is it too outdated , is Valhalla better ?

[rasmusklump]

I use mostly the esrly digital EMT plates modeled in the PSP 2445.

[jamcat]

How is UA EMT-140 by today ? is it too outdated , is Valhalla better ?

UA EMT-140 is UAD-2 only. No DSP card, no plugin.
UADx Pure Plate seems to be a stripped down version of EMT-140, and is native. UA has given it away for free in the past.

It's really quite good, and is my second favorite plate, after UVI Plate. I'm not sure, but I assume it is a convolution hybrid. It gives realistic, immediate results, but it only has one sound, take it or leave it.

Valhalla Plate is quite different. It is based on classic digital plate algorithms, like what you would find in a rack effect processor, made with delay lines and all-pass filters. It's more of an old school reverb effect than a model of a real mechanical metal plate with a transducer.

[jens]

Valhalla Plate is quite different. It is based on classic digital plate algorithms, like what you would find in a rack effect processor, made with delay lines and all-pass filters. It's more of an old school reverb effect than a model of a real mechanical metal plate with a transducer.

No it isn't. It emulates physical plates.

What's you source on how it technically does that as compared to UVI Plate and others?

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Valhalla Plate is quite different. It is based on classic digital plate algorithms, like what you would find in a rack effect processor, made with delay lines and all-pass filters. It's more of an old school reverb effect than a model of a real mechanical metal plate with a transducer.

No it isn't. It emulates physical plates.

What's you source on how it technically does that as compared to UVI Plate and others?

Indeed. ValhallaPlate, the plugin (not the Plate modes in the other Valhalla products), is emulating physical plates. I think it's based, at least in part, on that same research paper UVI and Arturia used as the basis for theirs. But I don't know that with certainty. But I think that paper is a big part of the reason why we suddenly had an influx of good "real" plate reverb plugins all coming out within like 5-6 years of each other.

[elxsound]

I don’t use this, but considering the topic and how it nails a specific sound (or sounds, as on the hardware), some might want to take a look.

Savant IM90
https://savantaudiolabs.com/product/savant-im90/

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[elxsound]

Valhalla Plate is quite different. It is based on classic digital plate algorithms, like what you would find in a rack effect processor, made with delay lines and all-pass filters. It's more of an old school reverb effect than a model of a real mechanical metal plate with a transducer.

No it isn't. It emulates physical plates.

What's you source on how it technically does that as compared to UVI Plate and others?

Indeed. ValhallaPlate, the plugin (not the Plate modes in the other Valhalla products), is emulating physical plates. I think it's based, at least in part, on that same research paper UVI and Arturia used as the basis for theirs. But I don't know that with certainty. But I think that paper is a big part of the reason why we suddenly had an influx of good "real" plate reverb plugins all coming out within like 5-6 years of each other.

I think at one point I was trying to copy UVI Plate into ValhallaPlate and it was very close. I didn’t have the attention span to keep going and in the end I decided I preferred reaching for something like Superplate. The fewer options is appealing.

[TS-12]

How is UA EMT-140 by today ? is it too outdated , is Valhalla better ?

UA EMT-140 is UAD-2 only. No DSP card, no plugin.
UADx Pure Plate seems to be a stripped down version of EMT-140, and is native. UA has given it away for free in the past.

It's really quite good, and is my second favorite plate, after UVI Plate. I'm not sure, but I assume it is a convolution hybrid. It gives realistic, immediate results, but it only has one sound, take it or leave it.

Valhalla Plate is quite different. It is based on classic digital plate algorithms, like what you would find in a rack effect processor, made with delay lines and all-pass filters. It's more of an old school reverb effect than a model of a real mechanical metal plate with a transducer.

oh good catch on UA plates not being native.

[jamcat]

Valhalla Plate is quite different. It is based on classic digital plate algorithms, like what you would find in a rack effect processor, made with delay lines and all-pass filters. It's more of an old school reverb effect than a model of a real mechanical metal plate with a transducer.

No it isn't. It emulates physical plates.

What's you source on how it technically does that as compared to UVI Plate and others?

Indeed. ValhallaPlate, the plugin (not the Plate modes in the other Valhalla products), is emulating physical plates. I think it's based, at least in part, on that same research paper UVI and Arturia used as the basis for theirs. But I don't know that with certainty. But I think that paper is a big part of the reason why we suddenly had an influx of good "real" plate reverb plugins all coming out within like 5-6 years of each other.

Arturia’s plate is a convolution hybrid, not a physical model. So, no, it’s not based on the 2019 plate physical modeling research paper ICA2016-559, which was authored by the developers at Physical Audio.

I am basing the assumption that Valhalla Plate is based on standard reverb algorithms because it sounds like it is. And because the marketing material calls it Valhalla’s “algorithmic take on the classic plate reverberation sound,” not a “physical model.” And because it came out in 2015, 4 years before the research paper you appear to be talking about.

Furthermore, in Sean’s blog post about Valhalla Plate, he discusses plate characteristics in conventional reverb terms of dispersion, delay offsets, and RT60, not modal analysis or Kirchhoff Plate theory.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Valhalla Plate is quite different. It is based on classic digital plate algorithms, like what you would find in a rack effect processor, made with delay lines and all-pass filters. It's more of an old school reverb effect than a model of a real mechanical metal plate with a transducer.

No it isn't. It emulates physical plates.

What's you source on how it technically does that as compared to UVI Plate and others?

Indeed. ValhallaPlate, the plugin (not the Plate modes in the other Valhalla products), is emulating physical plates. I think it's based, at least in part, on that same research paper UVI and Arturia used as the basis for theirs. But I don't know that with certainty. But I think that paper is a big part of the reason why we suddenly had an influx of good "real" plate reverb plugins all coming out within like 5-6 years of each other.

Arturia’s plate is a convolution hybrid, not a physical model. So, no, it’s not based on the 2019 plate physical modeling research paper ICA2016-559, which was authored by the developers at Physical Audio.

I am basing the assumption that Valhalla Plate is based on standard reverb algorithms because it sounds like it is. And because the marketing material calls it Valhalla’s “algorithmic take on the classic plate reverberation sound,” Not a “physical model.” And because it came out in 2015, 4 years before the research paper you appear to be talking about.

Furthermore, in Sean’s blog post about Valhalla Plate, he discusses plate characteristics in conventional reverb terms of dispersion, delay offsets, and RT60, not modal analysis or Kirchhoff Plate theory.

I'll let the actual developers and people who know respond to you.



First Sean Costello: https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... ostcount=9

The plate algorithms in the other Valhalla DSP plugins are "digital" plates. In other words, they are from the school of "hey, this is bright, kinda metallic, and has a fast attack. Let's call it a plate!"

ValhallaPlate is based on the analysis and theory of physical, steel plates. Mainly the EMT140.

I talk about the physics of real plates in a blog post:

https://valhalladsp.com/2015/11/08/the- ... of-plates/

And Martin from Arturia: https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... tcount=425

Hi all,
Glad to see so many of you interested in this new toy

It may be worth mentioning that Rev Plate-140 is not based on IR measurements of real plates, but is based on our own Plate physical model synthesis coupled to circuit modeling preamp.

After months of hard work by Kevin from our DSP team, we realized that although we were very happy with its sound when running at full quality, it would be too much CPU consuming for such a "simple" reverb. Thus the idea to have the linear part of the model as an IR. This seemed to us the best way to preserve the full quality of the model without killing an average CPU...

So Rev Plate-140 is our very subjective re-creation of a vintage EMT plate, but we also allowed ourselves to create our own plates that would be musically interesting (like the "Modern" model).
Sampling a real plate wouldn't have permit to create these variations. For example, thermoelastic and radiations damping of real plate vibrations would make impossible to obtain this reverb from measurements.

I hope this answers most of the questions above. We had great fun working on our first reverb and wishing all a happy and very loud new year!

Martin
Audio Product Manager @ Arturia

...Arturia created a plate physical model, and used convolution to make it run faster.

[jamcat]

ValhallaPlate is based on the analysis and theory of physical, steel plates. Mainly the EMT140.

This doesn’t actually say it’s a physical model. It seems to suggest Sean analyzed the characteristics of a real plate and then created a black box model of it using standard reverb modeling techniques from his wheelhouse. Again, the traditional reverb language he uses to describe plate characteristics points to this.

Regarding Arturia, the truth is contained in the very quote you provided:

we realized that although we were very happy with its sound when running at full quality, it would be too much CPU consuming for such a "simple" reverb. Thus the idea to have the linear part of the model as an IR.

So yes, Arturia’s plate is a hybrid convolution model, confirmed on Gearspace by none other than Martin from Arturia.