Mark Mothersbaugh on Classic Hardware vs Software Emulations

[D-Fusion]

Someone is selling a minty looking MemoryMoog on Portland Craigslist for $9k right now.

Remove the K behind the number 9 and i will buy it

[zerocrossing]

Someone is selling a minty looking MemoryMoog on Portland Craigslist for $9k right now.



At least vintage synths are generally repairable, unlike these modern pieces of garbage they sell.

The closest modern synthesizer that I own is a Melbourne Instruments Nina. While I have no idea what the repairability of it is, I know that I could buy one every decade for the rest of my natural life span and just reach the price of that Memorymoog. I also like it a lot more as an instrument, for various reasons.

[machinesworking]

Someone is selling a minty looking MemoryMoog on Portland Craigslist for $9k right now.



At least vintage synths are generally repairable, unlike these modern pieces of garbage they sell.

The closest modern synthesizer that I own is a Melbourne Instruments Nina. While I have no idea what the repairability of it is, I know that I could buy one every decade for the rest of my natural life span and just reach the price of that Memorymoog. I also like it a lot more as an instrument, for various reasons.

Those things aren't cheap either, $3,555 new these days.

[El°HYM]

I like this era of Portishead:


Portishead - Machine Gun Live in Berlin



Portishead - Chase The Tear

It is such a great band, not only musically but foremost sonically, pretty much unreached in those days. They made a good choice of mics, preamps, comps and quite some tape bouncing, thus their music will live on because it stays alive. Tricky might have come near with this one, yet the vinyl crackle while giving some nostalgic charme, also seems a bit overwhelming. Great times for music it was for sure, also for the true Artist.

[TechHaus]

Someone is selling a minty looking MemoryMoog on Portland Craigslist for $9k right now.



At least vintage synths are generally repairable, unlike these modern pieces of garbage they sell.

The closest modern synthesizer that I own is a Melbourne Instruments Nina. While I have no idea what the repairability of it is, I know that I could buy one every decade for the rest of my natural life span and just reach the price of that Memorymoog. I also like it a lot more as an instrument, for various reasons.

Those things aren't cheap either, $3,555 new these days.

Think of all the "Native Instruments" one could own with that type of money.

[TechHaus]

Someone is selling a minty looking MemoryMoog on Portland Craigslist for $9k right now.



At least vintage synths are generally repairable, unlike these modern pieces of garbage they sell.

The closest modern synthesizer that I own is a Melbourne Instruments Nina. While I have no idea what the repairability of it is, I know that I could buy one every decade for the rest of my natural life span and just reach the price of that Memorymoog. I also like it a lot more as an instrument, for various reasons.

Cool box! Appreciate you sharing - I'm ignorant to the higher end boutique stuff (especially since the pandemic), I just know the guitar mart specialz and some of the bastardizations of known old brands (saying this as someone who owns a modern mic with a Telefunken badge on it).

I need to visit Control Voltage (store in Portland) and get caught up.

[zerocrossing]

Someone is selling a minty looking MemoryMoog on Portland Craigslist for $9k right now.



At least vintage synths are generally repairable, unlike these modern pieces of garbage they sell.

The closest modern synthesizer that I own is a Melbourne Instruments Nina. While I have no idea what the repairability of it is, I know that I could buy one every decade for the rest of my natural life span and just reach the price of that Memorymoog. I also like it a lot more as an instrument, for various reasons.

Those things aren't cheap either, $3,555 new these days.

Think of all the "Native Instruments" one could own with that type of money.

I’ve got those too.

[machinesworking]

Think of all the "Native Instruments" one could own with that type of money.

I think the only truly redeeming part about hardware is it's not prone to software depreciation.
Native Instruments is a good example. You're safer on Windows but there is still software you can no longeer use in a modern setup from them, because they abandoned it etc. There are dozens of reasons why software is great, being able to open old software on modern computers is not one of them.

It's why I bothered to switch up the mk3 Kontrol with them, it's not dependent on computer software at all, if NI disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't affect it's functionality in terms of mapping CC's to knobs etc.

[TechHaus]

Think of all the "Native Instruments" one could own with that type of money.

I think the only truly redeeming part about hardware is it's not prone to software depreciation.
Native Instruments is a good example. You're safer on Windows but there is still software you can no longeer use in a modern setup from them, because they abandoned it etc. There are dozens of reasons why software is great, being able to open old software on modern computers is not one of them.

It's why I bothered to switch up the mk3 Kontrol with them, it's not dependent on computer software at all, if NI disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't affect it's functionality in terms of mapping CC's to knobs etc.

Looking back, I wish i kept all of my old computers and setups. I think if you are "pro" in this industry, you are expected to. I dropped the ball there. Nobody told me.

Also, I print tracks all the time now. Regret not doing that enough back in the day.

[vurt]

i shall refrain from making jokes to you.
i get a certain feeling from the way you communicate.
have a lovely day

Making jokes about what? Fire away, i get a certain feeling from the way you communicate, that you wanted to insult me but didn't want the consequences. So you are using a passive-aggressive form of communication used to get an insult into the conversation while giving you a quick, cowardly "out" if confronted.

not sure "they don't mean blue oyster cult" is an insult? but if you felt insulted by it, then i apologise.

tbh i only know them from the police academy films.

[zerocrossing]

Think of all the "Native Instruments" one could own with that type of money.

I think the only truly redeeming part about hardware is it's not prone to software depreciation.
Native Instruments is a good example. You're safer on Windows but there is still software you can no longeer use in a modern setup from them, because they abandoned it etc. There are dozens of reasons why software is great, being able to open old software on modern computers is not one of them.

It's why I bothered to switch up the mk3 Kontrol with them, it's not dependent on computer software at all, if NI disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't affect it's functionality in terms of mapping CC's to knobs etc.

Who are any of us kidding, suggesting that any of us are into this because we don’t like to spend money?

[machinesworking]

Who are any of us kidding, suggesting that any of us are into this because we don’t like to spend money?

Lol you have no idea! I've had to train myself to give myself an hourly wage so I won't waste time doing things without spending money on it over just getting it over with. I'm as cheap as they come, but I also learned to rationalize spending money on software I love to use by comparing it to my old weekend drinking habits. IOW spending up to $350 on booze and taxis etc. on the weekends in the past means if I really want Oblivion Drums for $129 I should just get it. Even with that in mind today I'm resampling drum kits in the MPC with external distortion boxes, I've got a half dozen of them, and most of the appeal of Heavyocity is the variety of distorted tones they bring. So I still haven't bought it. My dad is the type that will drive ten miles to save 10¢ a gallon on gas, I'm not there but close.

[IvyBirds]

People pay for concert tickets to hear live music not prerecorded tracks being played by bands who pretend it's live. By your logic why have a band at all? Why not just have a a guy play the record straight through on the stage. Just walk out and hit play on a CD player and walk off. How many tickets do you think that would sell and at what price?

This is how a lot of modern / soundcloud rappers perform. They will rap right over their ummmm.. CD's. (What year is Ivy stuck in?)

A lot of people pay. They sing along. It's like a big communal event.

Never said they didn't doesn't it make it right however

Still shocking to see musicians on a forum for musicians advocating for the idea that musicians are not needed

This is irrelevant, as you know that someone rapping is a musician. Why are you being so obstinate about this? People go to see shows. No one cares if the musicians are playing live, lip syncing to tracks, or triggering sequences. They want a social experience. The performer is there to enhance this, but they are not really the focus, even though they seem to be. Hell, I've seen guys spinning CDs of other people's music get praise from audience members. I've seen lame performances of great music by people who were clearly not into it (David Byrne) and great performances of music that I didn't like by people who were into it, yet were singing along to backing tracks. (Big Bam Boo) I once performed with a friend and they stuck us up behind a dj booth on a mezzanine and no one could see us. We did a full 40 minute set and only when we were relieved by the DJ did anyone know the music was live. No one cared, though a few friends who knew I was up there playing did say they liked it and it went over well.

Are you lost? This is a forum for musicians, not tone-deaf casuals who get easily distracted by shiny lights at a pop concert. The fact that you can’t comprehend the difference between a discussion on artistic integrity among players and what the general public accepts explains why you’re screaming into the void right now.

Imagine coming onto a musician forum to argue that musicians playing music doesn't matter. Obviously the general public doesn't care—they'll clap for a DJ playing records. I was addressing musicians about musicianship. Which part of that distinction was too complex for you to grasp?

Next time you want to argue that a certain plugin doesn't have MPE remember that the general public doesn't care so you shouldn't either

I’m discussing the topic that this stupid thread has veered off to. What you or I do has zero to do with “integrity.” My point is, we all do what we do for ourselves. Don’t be a pompous ass and pretend that you’re doing it for some imaginary audience that demands authenticity. I ask for MPE for my own personal enjoyment, not for the handful of nerds that will be impressed by my Roli Rise.

And when I go to a show to see live music I want to see live music being played by live musicians. I know many other people who feel the same way

[machinesworking]

And when I go to a show to see live music I want to see live music being played by live musicians. I know many other people who feel the same way

and I would rather shoot myself than play in or listen to a cover band.

[BONES]

Yeah good luck getting the Jones family next door to pay a performance rights licensing fee to cover royalties. Private parties, weddings aren't large scale enough to require any licensing for cover songs performances.

It doesn't work like that. Here in Australia, APRA collects money and redistributes it using an algorithm. There is no 1:1 correlation between where and when something gets played and how much money you receive. If you (or your manager) are diligent about submitting your song lists after every gig, you'll get money at the end of the year, often way more than you have actually "earned" because a lot of people are bad at putting in their set lists but the money still gets collected. And if you are playing covers, then the songwriters will get their share, too.

At least vintage synths are generally repairable, unlike these modern pieces of garbage they sell.

I dunno, I didn't have any trouble getting my Analog Keys repaired. It took months to get the parts, though.