KVR Audio

swilow11 · Post by **swilow11** » Wed Jun 17, 2026 11:06 pm

For some plugins, a randomiser can be fun. Unfiltered Audio Silo has a random which is good because the plugin is ridiculously arcane and complex and hard to control at the best of times. I also don't mind the Serum hybridise preset feature which is maybe 90% garbage but sometimes gets some usable out of it. Tantra 2 and Baby Audio Transit have a nice random function too.

All that aside, experimentation is much more fun imo and I've really never looked a synth or plugin and seen its randomiser as a particularly compelling feature. If it's there, I'll press the button though.

knob_monster · Post by **knob_monster** » Wed Jun 17, 2026 11:25 pm

An undo button next to the randomizer.

Nothing hurts more than clicking random, landing on the perfect sound, accidentally clicking it again, and losing it to the void forever.

Phlangeez · Post by **Phlangeez** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 1:03 am

Glad this thread got active. For experimental non vanilla patches randomization is a good potential. When I said AI features I meant built in not linked to a pay service. Some rare plugins here and there have their own AI. I'm sure AI is going to integrate into everything in theory. Even voice commands. So things should be massively more powerful & simplified. I feel myself ready to slow down by the time computers are 8 times faster.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 8:55 am

exmatproton wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 5:14 pmRead, then post

You might want to take your own f**king advice because the idea he put forward was "People ranging from new preset makers to experienced ones should vouch for random oscillator/filter/envelope/etc. randomization features as an idea tool." He only mentioned AI as a possible method of doing it in a slightly different way, it was by no means the central idea he was putting forward. people krapping on about Ai just look like fucktards.

Seafire Mk2 · Post by **Seafire Mk2** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 9:25 am

Teksonik wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 7:36 pm I'll make an analogy if I may....Say you wanted to climb a mountain. You start at the bottom and through hard work you reach the top. The satisfaction is in the effort expended to accomplish the feat.

Imagine if you just hopped into a helicopter and let it drop you on the mountain top. What personal satisfaction would that be?

To me the joy is in the process. To hand that process over to a machine whether it be A.I. or intelligent randomizing holds no joy or satisfaction for me.

Your muscles don't get any stronger when someone (or something) else lifts the weights.

Depends why you want to climb it. If it's just to see the view from the top, a helicopter is perfect!

ksandvik · Post by **ksandvik** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:08 am

Seafire Mk2 wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 9:25 am
Depends why you want to climb it. If it's just to see the view from the top, a helicopter is perfect!

Yes, and then you tell your friends that you climbed the mountain with no whatsoever help, and you trained for years to achieve this.

Seafire Mk2 · Post by **Seafire Mk2** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:10 am

ksandvik wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:08 am
Seafire Mk2 wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 9:25 am
Depends why you want to climb it. If it's just to see the view from the top, a helicopter is perfect!
Yes, and then you tell your friends that you climbed the mountain with no whatsoever help, and you trained for years to achieve this.

Surely you would do it for your own reasons, not to impress other people? If the view is your goal, who cares how you see it?

ksandvik · Post by **ksandvik** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:13 am

Statistics indeed show that the LLM music prompters make music they themselves listen to, and others not. Which is fine. But trying to pull off web sites with 'artist' info, fake bios et rest et rest....

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:41 am

BONES wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 8:55 am
exmatproton wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 5:14 pmRead, then post
You might want to take your own f**king advice because the idea he put forward was "People ranging from new preset makers to experienced ones should vouch for random oscillator/filter/envelope/etc. randomization features as an idea tool." He only mentioned AI as a possible method of doing it in a slightly different way, it was by no means the central idea he was putting forward. people krapping on about Ai just look like fucktards.

reddit, then posted. LLM's for randomization = f'n waste of resources. Keep that shit out of plugins.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 12:07 pm

AI isnt always an energy gussling server side operation

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 12:34 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 12:07 pm AI isnt always an energy gussling server side operation

no..llm's can run locally as well, ofcourse. Still..waste of resources

ramseysounds · Post by **ramseysounds** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 12:44 pm

Phlangeez wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 1:03 am Glad this thread got active. For experimental non vanilla patches randomization is a good potential. When I said AI features I meant built in not linked to a pay service. Some rare plugins here and there have their own AI. I'm sure AI is going to integrate into everything in theory. Even voice commands. So things should be massively more powerful & simplified. I feel myself ready to slow down by the time computers are 8 times faster.

It got active because the vast majority of replies disagree with your theory. If that makes you happy, all power to you.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 2:03 pm

Seafire Mk2 wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 9:25 am Depends why you want to climb it. If it's just to see the view from the top, a helicopter is perfect!

Like I said:

Teksonik wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 7:36 pm Say you wanted to climb a mountain.

Not "say you wanted to see the view". The challenge of the climb is the attraction and the reason why people climb them.

You can move the goal posts all you want but my point remains the same:

Effort is its own reward. You don't grow as an artist or as a person by using crutches. People who have weak legs need crutches but using them doesn't make their legs any stronger.

Anyway we could could go round and round on this subject ad infinitum but all I have to say is....F*ck A.I. in the Arts.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 2:07 pm

BONES wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 8:55 am
exmatproton wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 5:14 pmRead, then post
You might want to take your own f**king advice because the idea he put forward was "People ranging from new preset makers to experienced ones should vouch for random oscillator/filter/envelope/etc. randomization features as an idea tool." He only mentioned AI as a possible method of doing it in a slightly different way, it was by no means the central idea he was putting forward. people krapping on about Ai just look like fucktards.

And you just look like a f**king idiot....as usual.

Phlangeez wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 1:16 am Imagine AI integrated to this..... At least many would love AI variants.

Phlangeez wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 1:03 am When I said AI features I meant built in not linked to a pay service. Some rare plugins here and there have their own AI. I'm sure AI is going to integrate into everything in theory.

synaesthesia · Post by **synaesthesia** » Thu Jun 18, 2026 2:33 pm

Phlangeez wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 1:16 am People ranging from new preset makers to experienced ones should vouch for random oscillator/filter/envelope/etc. randomization features as an idea tool.

Being a preset maker, I like to... erm... make presets. This would not be making presets.

Phlangeez wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 1:16 am Unlimited variants would help designers tons.

Again, no. If you don't enjoy making presets, you're not really a preset maker are you?

I want users to vouch with me for a feature most modern plugins are missing.