If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[ghettosynth]

I ask again does anyone have any suno tracks they can share where the sound quality is good?

Do you really want us to point out the Music Cafe tracks where the sound quality is bad?

[BONES]

False. If a company's product has directly(*) generated a derived work without permission, and made that available to someone who puts that derived work online, the company is legal responsible for redistributing a derived work. Its irrelevant to that whether someone else redistributes it further. End of story.

Maybe if the AI company was deriving income from it but if they aren't making money it's going to be a hard case to prove, even if they know which company it was. We haven't paid a penny to use any AI, ever. But, as I pointed out, it's moot anyway because AI doesn't use samples.

It's still respectful to abide by those terms.

Which, as I pointed out, do not even mention AI, so there is nothing to abide by. More importantly, Bandcamp doesn't own any of the music, it's not up to them to make those kinds of decisions for artists. We don't care if our music gets used to train AI. In fact, we're in favour of it. The better it knows our music, the more useful it becomes to us and, in broader terms, the more diverse it's training is, the more useful it becomes to everyone and what better place to expose it to a whole range of less mainstream music than Bandcamp?

Fair, my indignation got set to runaway mode. It happens. However, The remainder of my point is solid, moreover, it is still a choice that is fueled by a need to remain independent, hence, uncommitted. The need for flexibility is at the opposite end of the need for stability. The employer maintains their stance by need, as you described, the employee can find value in that, but they still are taking on the risks of the choices.

Oh yeah, the first Hollywood writer's strike completely destroyed my bandmate's career. The two big budget features he'd been slated to work on after Superman were cancelled and most of his contacts left the industry. He's struggled for work ever since. It's a bit of a gamble but, like the music industry, people don't get into it for job security.

Yes, play a real song / mix next to an ai song and it is obvious how bad they sound.

Nobody cares, mate. They all listen to mp3s on earbuds. The audiophile market isn't relevant.

Here's an example of a human mix (my song "Hemsworth")
https://soundcloud.com/hipster-bales/hemsworth
Here's an example of an AI slop mix
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=omy0Q ... QJk9nUhyfH

And I can tell your which piece I'd rather listen to. Your song is at least as generic as the AI song without any of that song's emotional impact. And I don't hear anything in the way that song is presented that would make me not want to listen to it. The production sounds absolutely fine to me. What you choose to see as "slop" could just as easily be decisions made by a producer to give it a gritty sound to match the mood of the piece. Overall, it works way better than your piece does, even though it's in a genre and of a style that I have no particular interest in.

[Hipster Bales]

ok dude.

[Hipster Bales]

Your song is at least as generic as the AI song without any of that song's emotional impact.

Right, because a kid writing a song after something as personal as his hometown has no emotional impact while a robot trained on an algorithm does? Get over it and accept that some people actually like writing from the heart rather than using AI tools to do it for them.

Nobody cares, mate. They all listen to mp3s on earbuds. The audiophile market isn't relevant.

Actually the average listener cares a lot, in fact they're all growing tired of AI every second of the day.

What you choose to see as "slop" could just as easily be decisions made by a producer to give it a gritty sound to match the mood of the piece.

Not when it's coming from a bunch of supercomputers in a datacentre. Some of us actually work hard to where we are today, by not trying to appeal to absolutely everybody.

And I don't hear anything in the way that song is presented that would make me not want to listen to it. The production sounds absolutely fine to me.

Probably because you're too busy trying to get a rise out of people who disagree with you instead of critically listening to the AI mixes.

We don't care if our music gets used to train AI. In fact, we're in favour of it.

You mean YOU'RE in favour of it. I'm definitely not in favour of having my music getting trained illegally and without my permission by say, Suno or Udio.

OK this argument is making me hungry, let me get something real quick

Grilled-Chicken-Burgers_thumb-1.webp