If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[hardyharrharr]

hey, i just noticed you are from the uk
lucky you
big big big big fan here of music that came from there
british invasion, shoegaze, so good

germany had the biggies initially
bach, mozart, beethoven
but then words started to matter
the brits were good at words and stuff
but then isnt bob dylan german?

[hardyharrharr]

hey, is radiohead shoegaze?

[Hipster Bales]

Bob Dylan is actually American, and Radiohead is more rock music than they are shoegaze

[Grizzellda]

So AI replaces the musician and the plugin developer, lol. It can make songs. It can make plugins. It can make more good songs and more good plugins. Conceivably, in short order, human-made songs and plugins could become one percent, or one billionth of a percent, of the total content out there. That seems to be the trajectory of the world. At some point, human-made things may become the tiniest sliver of the content available.

And then... what?

Then humanity will become free. We'll be able to do whatever the hell we like. We won't have jobs unless we want to have jobs, we can spend all day at the beach or seeing the world or whatever else might take our fancy. We'll have created a utopia for ourselves.

Do we love humans more than beauty itself, more than usefulness itself?

It would certainly seem so.

So do we give KVR a music/humans section and a music/AI section? A plugins/human section and a plugins/AI section?

Digital apartheid?

There is some soul/spirit/deep layer in us that needs connection, not merely output.

Speak for yourself. I'd be perfectly content if every last one of you keeled over and died tomorrow. I'd probably have to head out to sea for a few months until the stench of putrifaction died down but after that I'd be free to get on with whatever I felt like. There'd be more than enough of everything to last me the rest of my life and no-one left to piss me off. It would be Nirvana!

But then what if virtual reality eventually seeks to replace that connection too, and does it well enough to trick the brain?

Or what if people grew the f**k up and realised they are not the centre of the universe? Too much to hope for, I fear. Better just to be done with them.

The AI makes the plugins. Then you engage with it like an Urs bot from u-he.

Do you have to engage with Urs when you're using Hive or Zebra? It's that pointless cult of personality and the over-hyped bullshit that puts me off a lot of companies.

The question becomes, “Do we still care what is real?”

Did we ever? People seem perfectly willing to ignore facts in favour of bullshit that makes them feel better about themselves and the world.

But it does not have that deeper consciousness of values, relationship, conscience, or connection to transcendent truth.

Right, because those things have served Humanity so well over the Aeons. They are nothing more than twisted manifestations of our vestigial herd and mating instincts. It is long past time we grew beyond them.

This is why truth matters. Machines may possess intelligence, but they do not possess that higher spiritual capacity by which man is joined to truth, conscience, relationship, God, and the eternal nature of reality.

These are all things that distort reality, that undermine truth. These are human constructs that, in essence, are the root of all evil in the world.

Im talking about the actual law, eg Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

There is no such law in this country so if we're playing at being pedantic cockheads, I'm more than happy to join in. Unless or until you've thoroughly looked at copyright laws in every country, you can't prove your case. i.e. You lose.

Hans Zimmer and Daft Punk would tell you different.

No, they wouldn't. Hans Zimmer has visuals and dialogue to go with his music. His work reinforces the emotional weight of a scene, it doesn't create it. And Daft Punk is garbage. Pure product.

You don't always need lyrics to write music

But you do to write a song and a song will always resonate more strongly with an audience than a piece of music. You don't see people waving their cigarette lighters over their heads at a performance of Mozart's Requiem, despite the best efforts of 80 musicians, do you?

jeff beck did a cover version of a day in the life, threw away the lyrics

Which is probably why no-one's ever heard it.

Google it.

Why? I've seen the evidence in half-a-dozen different places. You're the guy who needs to see it for himself, not me. But just in case you're too retarded to be able to look things up for yourself, here are a couple of links -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-generat ... cant-tell/
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigatio ... 025-11-12/

probably because they wanted to express it using words. and that's OK, but BONES passing it off as not having real emotional impact without lyrics is what pisses me off the most.

Sorry, mate, but that's just the facts of the matter. The piece of music you chose has f**k-all emotional impact compared to the Ai generated piece you chose to use as a comparison. That you can't see that makes me wonder about your sanity, if I'm honest. I mean, FFS, you chose an AI generated ballad, a style that's all about emotional impact, and compared it with your little dance music piece, a style not in any way associated with emotional impact. It's what I'd have done to prove my case if I wanted to be a little bit manipulative. It might have made some sense if you'd given us one of your ballads but you didn't, so it doesn't work, I'm afraid.

Come on BONES..,.tell us how ya really feel!!!