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IvyBirds wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2026 7:50 pm It's crazy to me that musicians can have such a narrow view they think only jazz musicians could possibly improvise live music. That's the advantage of actually playing live music and not being stuck in a paradigm where you are forced to use sequencers and backing tracks where you can't improvise at all. How sad that view must be
I think you totally missed the point here. Regarding the post you responded, to, it's a rhetorical argument pointing out the absurdity of your position. It's narrow-minded exactly because it's parodying your position. It's not actually arguing that that is the case.


That said, there's a huge difference between playing covers and writing your own music. A lot of people on here are actually writing their own music from scratch. I've played in cover bands, and even if we played the song in a different style, with different instrumentation from the original, we never kidded ourselves into believing this is the same skill as writing the song and lyrics from scratch.

When you play in a cover band, you are typically playing well-known tunes, that, even if they sound different, have a big familiarity bonus. People can sing along, they know the rough premise of the tune and basic structure. Deviate too far from what makes the original song that song - i.e. change the structure, the lyrics and the arrangement, and it's not the original song any more. It's how you typically lose these audiences, as the crowd at weddings etc. tend to have pretty diverse tastes and you are trying to find the common denominator that will at least check the familiarity box. Songs from when the couple were teenagers, old classics that everyone knows, that sort of thing.

Try writing your own music and then playing that live. It's typically a lot harder to win over the crowd when they don't know any of the songs and they need to stand on their own merits. Especially if you are playing for strangers. Obviously, good musicianship helps, but you can't polish the proverbial turd and being able to play an instrument isn't the same skill as writing a banger. There's clearly benefits to knowing your stuff and having experience playing other songs, listening to other music etc. But a lot of people really struggle to do this well. I've known people who are technically impressive multi-instrumentalists who can only play from sheet music; or can immediately play along and improvise over anything on the first time of listening; or write songs that are well played but ultimately neither exciting nor inspiring to listen to. And people who can barely play their primary instrument after 10 years but write excellent songs and lyrics.

You've confused two adjacent but still quite different skillsets at being the same thing. They're not, and you'd know that if you did write your own music (like most people here). Nor does everyone use synthesisiers and sequencers; or they might, but play several other instruments as well. Or they simply want to write the sort of music that gets its signature sound from the robotic way sequencers sound (e.g. rigid timing locked to the grid, no velocity variations etc.). As much as you deride that, they are perfectly valid choices and say nothing about the ability to create a good tune. Once again, you are anointing yourself as the arbiter of what is and isn't "the right way to be a musician". It's both arrogant and misguided.

I'd argue that the best all-round musicians are those who can play well, improvise well and compose well. And those who are open-minded and willing to step outside their comfort zone. You still - like everyone else here - have a lot of growing to do, especially regarding the last point. Which brings use nicely back to the post you responded to and what its message (probably) is. Now that you've essentially argued against what is your own absolutist stance, a little self-reflection is probably in order ;)

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sjm wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2026 8:47 pm
IvyBirds wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2026 7:50 pm It's crazy to me that musicians can have such a narrow view they think only jazz musicians could possibly improvise live music. That's the advantage of actually playing live music and not being stuck in a paradigm where you are forced to use sequencers and backing tracks where you can't improvise at all. How sad that view must be
I think you totally missed the point here. Regarding the post you responded, to, it's a rhetorical argument pointing out the absurdity of your position. It's narrow-minded exactly because it's parodying your position. It's not actually arguing that that is the case.


That said, there's a huge difference between playing covers and writing your own music. A lot of people on here are actually writing their own music from scratch. I've played in cover bands, and even if we played the song in a different style, with different instrumentation from the original, we never kidded ourselves into believing this is the same skill as writing the song and lyrics from scratch.

And yet you miss the forest for the trees and assume I don't also write my own music I do. You also seem confused and fail to realize that this whole discussion started because people in this thread think it's awesome that AI is being used to generate music and then those AI generated tracks are being presented on stage as being original music

But because I dared suggest that people not use AI and present it as their own work or use backing tracks, various people started attacking me over the fact I happily earn my living playing live music in various cover bands and at weddings

But thanks for stating your position that you think using AI to generate songs is fantastic song writing

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sjm wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2026 8:47 pmI've played in cover bands, and even if we played the song in a different style, with different instrumentation from the original, we never kidded ourselves into believing this is the same skill as writing the song and lyrics from scratch.
Is song writing much of a skill, though? I've never thought of it as a particularly valuable skill to have, in that it's always seemed pretty easy to me. Even when I went through a long (5 years) dry patch, I wasn't writing mostly because I wasn't interested in writing. I'm happy to let my bandmate or AI come up with the ideas, as long as I get to have input at some point in the process. And I get the same from covers - taking a MIDI file and making it work is just as fulfilling to me as working on an original song.
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BONES wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2026 11:28 pm
sjm wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2026 8:47 pmI've played in cover bands, and even if we played the song in a different style, with different instrumentation from the original, we never kidded ourselves into believing this is the same skill as writing the song and lyrics from scratch.
Is song writing much of a skill, though? I've never thought of it as a particularly valuable skill to have, in that it's always seemed pretty easy to me. Even when I went through a long (5 years) dry patch, I wasn't writing mostly because I wasn't interested in writing. I'm happy to let my bandmate or AI come up with the ideas, as long as I get to have input at some point in the process. And I get the same from covers - taking a MIDI file and making it work is just as fulfilling to me as working on an original song.
The fact that groups and people write good and bad songs, universally agreed upon by most everyone, would argue that it's a very valuable skill that can diminish instead of improve over time. Anyone can write a boring song, hardly anyone can write a song that everyone likes, or in our case a small subset of the listening audience likes. I mean if it was easy, we would be writing hit songs for Disney princesses, living in Beverly Hills and playing in our nerd band on the side.

One of the main reasons I got into music was wanting to hear the music in my head. There are huge swaths of the whole thing I can't get into at all, the hero worship, great man theory bullshit, overt attention on hedonism, coddling audience lyrics and banter, bruised egos of club workers, narcissism etc. etc. I stay interested because there's never been any better feeling for me than writing a song I like.

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Oh and it should be mentioned that if you're playing with other people, the idea that you entirely wrote a song all by yourself is out the window. I've never played in a band where the song I wrote sounded the same or even had the same structure by the time we were done learning it as a band. IMO you shouldn't play with others if all you want is someone to copy your work, that's no better than a backing track.

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