If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[Touch The Universe]

No, that's what the secular world believes to justify living as they would like and not according to wisdom/righteousness and what fools believe if they think they know everything, as though there is not mystery in being - professing themselves wise they became fools. ...

I am not "your" perfect atheist fool—the kind you try to separate with your wise philosophy through your earthly religious mission.

However, I believe that more human suffering has been—and continues to be—generated by earthly religious endeavors than by the secular side.

It is, of course, your right to believe in a benevolent God who supposedly stands at the beginning of everything. Yet you cannot know what kind of energy underpins the existence of the universe.

Above all, you cannot know what kind of ethics the universe embodies. I fear that the universe is beyond human concepts of good and evil.

Nature is merciless, as we know. But human beings, I believe, are masters of their own and others' destiny.

Moa ze dong, hitler, communism, holocaust (survival of the fittest philosophy), secular usa 100 million abortions. These are not the fruit of the godly, but godless.

If you say there is no God, worship the universe, a created thing as though it is God, the word of God says uses that word "fool" to describe that person because they profess to be wise but cant grasp truth. So, you need to test the Word of God itself to see if it's trustworthy.

I claim to know that only God is almighty and knows all things, that is where faith comes in. But there are some things we can know. Energy itself is a created thing? So it's not the totality of existence. When the universe was created, all space, time, energy itself also began at that point. When you say energy, if you mean "God" that is an incoherent term. God is certainly far being energy. But if you mean what sort of character is God, who is beyond the energy of all creation, the one who created all things, then yes, we can know much on that, that is what the word of God is for. He is holy. That is the foremost attribute of the "energy" which created the universe, God. We are made in His image. He has a plan, is goodness itself, love, life, and must judge.

Don't take my word for it. Test the word itself. It has prophecy. Jesus was a real person. 500 people saw him alive after He resurrected. Even the secular world historians cannot dismiss that fact as that is more evidence than the person of NERO or caesar ever existed History itself can't be trusted at that point.

You too seem to be using the "Universe" as a placeholder name of God to which as I once did, can assign any attributes or meaning whatever I feel like. The universe will allow drugs, fornication, this an this, because its beyond good and evil. You are right to fear this reality. It would mean life has no purpose. You would be more right to fear this mindset, if it were wrong, for the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

The bible teaches nature is cursed after the fall, yet Jesus died to redeem it, having conquired all death and will come back and the sons of God will inherit this world, earth, for all eternity, not those who worshipped the creation, choose self autonomy to manifest there own destiny apart from God, who seek godhood through technology, apart from God. No, there is only one way to live forever, that is in righteousness. Choosing the self, is to choose sin, which literally missing the mark (of rightesouness and therefore that eternal path that is in alignment with the "energy" which created all things - i speak as a fool using your language that you might maybe understand.

Isn't it ironic, the same lie that caused the fall is the same one that is teh course of this world, to be masters of their own destiny, choosing what is good and evil. That is literally the course and state of mind of teh world after eating the fruit of good and evil. When death came into the world, that line of thinking did too, or you can say with that line of thinking, came all death in the world. One sin means being removed from God's presence, who is life itself. The bible says eternal life is to know God. If you sin, love it, and hate God, Jesus rebuked the pharisees and says you do the work of your father the devil and not God.

Repent, we are were once children of darkness but are all called into the light in the hope of eternal life in the good news of Christ. Is that hope, anchored by prophecy and testimony, worth less to you than adopting that mindset, life has no purpose and meaning, all fades to black, nonsense bones was spouting?

Forgive me by all means speaking reason to such nonsense. And make no mistake, that is a religious belief. To claim life has no meaning is equally religious as to claim life has meaning and we all need a savior. Honestly, the world is kind of crazy. Sin would perfectly explain the condition of the world. Israel and the Jews. Lights in the sky, false signs and wonders, ai (breath given to the image of the beast) these are prophecies coming true before our eyes. The war with Iran is part of the end times unfolding. I wish people can see how amazing and astonishing the times we live in are, due to the sheer stupendous of an opportunity it is to see the birth of that eternal kingdom being established here on Earth. This is true glory, not that fading glory of this world.

[Touch The Universe]

Doesn't need articulating, you have no proof, therefore it's nonsense

“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

[Seafire Mk2]

Any other meaningless quotes from fairytales?

[Touch The Universe]

Revelation 14:10

10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Psalm 75:8
8 For in the hand of the Lord there is a cup

with foaming wine, well mixed,

and he pours out from it,

and all the wicked of the earth

shall drain it down to the dregs.



26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[Seafire Mk2]

Thrilling nonsense

[Etienne1973]

No, that's what the secular world believes to justify living as they would like and not according to wisdom/righteousness and what fools believe if they think they know everything, as though there is not mystery in being - professing themselves wise they became fools. ...

I am not "your" perfect atheist fool—the kind you try to separate with your wise philosophy through your earthly religious mission.

However, I believe that more human suffering has been—and continues to be—generated by earthly religious endeavors than by the secular side.

It is, of course, your right to believe in a benevolent God who supposedly stands at the beginning of everything. Yet you cannot know what kind of energy underpins the existence of the universe.

Above all, you cannot know what kind of ethics the universe embodies. I fear that the universe is beyond human concepts of good and evil.

Nature is merciless, as we know. But human beings, I believe, are masters of their own and others' destiny.

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Forgive me by all means speaking reason to such nonsense.
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I hope the God you believe in forgives your mental masturbation, you are placing yourself above other human beings.

[Touch The Universe]

No, that's what the secular world believes to justify living as they would like and not according to wisdom/righteousness and what fools believe if they think they know everything, as though there is not mystery in being - professing themselves wise they became fools. ...

I am not "your" perfect atheist fool—the kind you try to separate with your wise philosophy through your earthly religious mission.

However, I believe that more human suffering has been—and continues to be—generated by earthly religious endeavors than by the secular side.

It is, of course, your right to believe in a benevolent God who supposedly stands at the beginning of everything. Yet you cannot know what kind of energy underpins the existence of the universe.

Above all, you cannot know what kind of ethics the universe embodies. I fear that the universe is beyond human concepts of good and evil.

Nature is merciless, as we know. But human beings, I believe, are masters of their own and others' destiny.

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Forgive me by all means speaking reason to such nonsense.
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I hope the God you believe in forgives your mental masturbation, you are placing yourself above other human beings.

Care to articulate how exactly? If I say life is good, has purpose, how is that elevating myself instead of using sheer logic to reason with you. If the universe has a beginning, it's cause is outside of it. That means there is more to life, this universe than meets the idea, to which logic itself is bound.

If by using the word fool, you feel I am placing myself above, I am citing scripture itself. That is not me. That is what God's Word says, which claims to be from the being who made you. Which is why I said for you to test it yourself, as it would by all means behoove you to atleast see if it what it says has merit of truth, afterall, eternity and your soul is at stake. Often, people confuse faith and christianity because they know little or nothing on it. Yet, I digress. If that is all you can share, I hope you study the scriptures. Things happen when you do. You somehow in ways I won't begin to try to explain, begin to "see" the light, lol.

[BONES]

No, that's what the secular world believes to justify living as they would like and not according to wisdom/righteousness and what fools believe if they think they know everything, as though there is not mystery in being

There is no mystery in being, just chemistry. When the chemistry becomes sufficiently complex, we call it biology. It's all well understood.

We are made in the image of God

Really? Then what sort of c**t must God be if the likes of Jeffrey Dharmer were made in his image? Remember, too, that yours is the same God that Jihadist Muslims use to justify the shit they do. THE SAME GOD.

even a child can grasp life is good and has meaning.

I child doesn't know any better, they believe whatever you tell them and we protect them from uncomfortable truths until we think they are old enough to deal with them..

Humans can't invent prophecies or miracles or resurrections.

Of course they can, unless you think the Bible was written by monkeys. They've been inventing that bullshit all over the world for millennia. If you were brought up in India, you'd believe in 3,000 Hindu gods, if you were born in Asia you'd follow the teachings of Buddha. Everybody's got their own god and they are all bullshit.

I'd seriously study scripture.

Oh, I have a good grounding in it but even as an 11 year-old going to Sunday School I could see that it made no sense, long before I'd ever heard of Occam's Razor. I would commend you search for an study "the skeptic's annotated bible" for a more realistic appraisal of the Good Book.

The universe had a beginning. Logically, If you knew enough about this subject, that means only one thing, something outside of creation, outside of causality (cause and effect) created it.

The problem then becomes who created that thing? And this is where my 11 year-old brain unwittingly applied Occam's Razor and realised that it is far more likely that the Universe was created by the Big Bang than that it was created by some infinitely more complex individual, who would have to have come from somewhere else. That said, it's always possible that some being created the Universe by accident during some chemistry experiment at school and quickly threw it into a rubbish bin before the teacher found out what he'd done. I kind of like the idea that our Universe might be running inside some cosmic school room bin.

it has a beginning, you cannot escape this fact.

Well, you can. We are creatures of the arrow of time so we think of things within that timeframe but Einstein worked out that time is not the rock-solid consistent measurement we think it is and we have been able to measure that and see the truth of it. So it is quite possible that time wasn't running before the Big Bang, which means that the Universe didn't have a beginning and the Big Bang was instead the beginning of time.

There is so much we still don't know about the origins of the Universe but I think it's safe to say that we know more than enough to dismiss any rational thought of a creator. And if the Multiverse is real and exists, as the maths suggest it must, then you have to ask yourself a question - if "god" created our universe, who created all the others. And if you want to suggest that your god created them all, then you have to ask yourself where that leaves us as his chosen people. He's probably telling all the other universes the same thing but we can't all be his favourites, can we?

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

But probably not to the Africans, for they be slaves.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

You say just, I say willfully ignorant.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

So priests buggering choir boys should have been "struck down" but weren't. Serial killers were allowed to commit murder with impunity for decades. The "word" doesn't really seem to hold much water, does it?

Anyway, I could go on all night but you'd only get upset. Suffice to say I find your "faith" appalling and if you don't, it's because you refuse to see it for what it is - an excuse for people to do unspeakable things and not feel bad about it.

[BONES]

I’d assume about his adolescence (chords and melodies) and how supportive his fanbase are (hence the title “For You”)

I got absolutely none of that. Not a jot. It was so cheesy I couldn't even be sure it wasn't musical irony. But maybe adolescence makes sense, too, because it definitely screamed of immaturity.

[TechHaus]

LOL at the communism comment. Jesus was as devout capitalist, you fools. Read the scripture.

[Zeisner]

It seems to be one of those "internet laws": If there is an AI thread, users will talk about literally anything but AI.

[vurt]

unless, god is the ai, creating itself, to go back in time to create the whole universe!!!

[havran]

If AI really does replace a large part of music creation, who is actually going to buy plugins anymore?

I think a lot of musicians never have used plugins.

[Grizzellda]

Urantia Book talks alot about "self distributive self"...I.E. ...a central "Father", (first source & center), with the help of the Paradise Trinity, distributing Himself throughout Creation, becoming all of us quite frankly...and what does it even mean, right???

[VOODOO U]

Everything can always be better, nothing is ever finished.

Well thank God for the punk approach because yeah, everything can always be better but who gives a f**k.... it's finished.

If we expect people to buy our music, it needs to be as good as it can possibly be.

If "good as it could possibly be" means spending months on a song then more power to you if that is working out good. I'd sincerely go mad if I had to spend months on a song.
I do realize that there are changes that could always be made, I'm guilty of that as well, but there's a fine line where "let it go" sits good enough to let a song breathe with sincerity as opposed to with scientific polish. That's as best I can describe it.

I can work on them for another year until they are good enough.

If a song takes a year or so until it's good enough then it's not good enough. It's a leech sucking on you with precious little tidbits and it needs to be burned alive. Get rid of it. It's hogging hard drive space. What you think is "good enough" after it latched onto you for a year or so is more than likely just a bad B side. Ask yourself, is a bad B side what you would let a newbie listen to for your band introduction? Sure hope not. Songs can be vampires - they can suck. And you would be hypnotized by it.

I think it's more that I feel an obligation to do the best I can,

As long as it's sincere it works.

I'll bet a week' pay our songs are far simpler than anything you do. 5 or 6 instrument tracks is average for us, with two or three vocal tracks. Vocals and mastering aside, I reckon we'd use maybe 3 or 4 effects per song, which includes EQ.

Yep - you got me beat according to your standards of keeping things simple - less tracks and effects. Doesn't mean your output is better than mine. Then again, it's all relative.

The charts would suggest otherwise

Yeah Im aware Relax was a hit. When I said not a hit in my book I meant not a hit according to my standards. And yes my standards matter simply because I said so.

Right, so where are these 20 minute masterpieces for us all to stare at in wonderment?

For 20 bucks I'll let you listen to 20 seconds.

Obviously they aren't worth sharing,

Ok how about 5 bucks for 5 seconds?

It's not a song if it doesn't have vocals. It's just a piece of music and it's too f**king easy.

Great! So where is your too f**king easy classical piece for us all to share in wonderment?

As I said, if we were only doing music, not songs, we could pump out two albums a year and they could play them in lifts and lobbies throughout the free world. It's too f**king easy these days, any idiot can do it.

Any idiot can write music? Agreed. Any idiot can write music that gets played in lifts and lobbies because it's too f**king easy? Good luck.

Clearly you have no understanding of performance.

I'm all ears and willing to understand performance if you're willing to share.

I don't write songs for other people, I write them for me

Whatever happened to "If we expect people to buy our music, it needs to be as good as it can possibly be"??
Don't kid yourself, you write for other people hence why it takes you months to finish a song.

Actually, I was quite worried about how my vox would stand up to the excellent AI generated vocals in the songs on the new album

For me personally, the last thing I would ever give up or give over is vocals. If they mean nothing to you, that's your call but that's what it's all about for me.


RELAX! I'm just teasing.
f**k that song though.

Do you only have one? I can do lots, from Light Opera to Death Metal (all equally badly). I can even do Take On Me (in a very operatic style if it needs to be loud).

I have one style that I can tolerate and listen to over and over again. It's me being loose, not giving a f**k. Everything else is boring nonsense that belongs to artists that embarrassingly take themselves too serious.