As warned, and also, Why Aren't You Getting Some of This?

[ghettosynth]

I mentioned in another thread that AI is going to generate so many arbitrage businesses, many of them borderline scams.

Here you go:




Notice something here though. There is demand for personalized songs. That is, real people want the product that AI is providing, even if they don't know where to find it, but, they are buying it under the pretense that it's not AI. That's where you come in. So, why haven't you entered this market yourself?

[ksandvik]

Mostly because it's a very bad business money-wise. Plus boring. In addition, those who want this stuff will use prompting to make boring songs for their use, so that's fine.

[ghettosynth]

Mostly because it's a very bad business money-wise. Plus boring. In addition, those who want this stuff will use prompting to make boring songs for their use, so that's fine.

They are selling Suno songs to randos for $99. I agree it's boring, I wouldn't do it, but, if you think that your music is worth money, then this would give you great practice, as well as income. Note that, if musicians believe their own message that AI can't compete, then the argument that people will use AI falls flat. You have to agree that people don't care.

Did you watch the video?

[ksandvik]

No, there's enough of AI music hype videos out there -- when things are pretty simple, AI music prompting is like ordering fast food from a menu, anyone could do it, but it does not mean it's creative.

[TechHaus]

I get this preroll ad so much

[BONES]

No, there's enough of AI music hype videos out there -- when things are pretty simple, AI music prompting is like ordering fast food from a menu, anyone could do it, but it does not mean it's creative.

Of course it's f**king creative, it is creating a song from a prompt. It has the capacity to be as creative as the user writing the prompts, within the boundaries of it's training, just as humans have their limitations.

[TheMaestro]

No, there's enough of AI music hype videos out there -- when things are pretty simple, AI music prompting is like ordering fast food from a menu, anyone could do it, but it does not mean it's creative.

Of course it's f**king creative, it is creating a song from a prompt. It has the capacity to be as creative as the user writing the prompts, within the boundaries of it's training, just as humans have their limitations.

No, no at all. That's as creative as ordering in food.

[BONES]

Hardly. More like creating a dish to place on a menu - nothing's original, it's all the same ingredients everyone uses - but you make it your own by choosing which ingredients to use and how to combine them. That's how you work with an AI - you choose the ingredients and you tell it how to combine them. Think of it like a kitchen - you're the Head Chef and the AI is your Sous Chef, carrying out your instructions while maybe adding a bit of its own flair. And if you don't like what your sous chef does, you can tip the plate over its head and make it do it again and again until it gets it just how you like it.

[noiseresearch]

Shitty ideas, a missing sense for aesthetics and lack of musicality is nothing solitary produced by AI - it was done before. AI will probably not easily able to cover those missing skills.

Related example: Looking at the mass of AI plugins shows me a complete absence of ideas and sense for aesthetics. Same goes probably for AI music (never heard an AI song; at least I'm not aware of)

[noiseresearch]

So I think AI assistant music can be seen as a creative act. I'm not into it myself but I don't see a reason to talk it down. When you are a songwriter and guitar player and don't want to spend time in sound design and drum patterns and what not, it's fine. I remember the time people went crazy because sample libraries where widely available via CD; yet that gave us a bunch of good music and genres.

PS: Looking at the impact on society and general ethics (not music) AI is a disaster IMO but this is another story.

[BONES]

Shitty ideas, a missing sense for aesthetics and lack of musicality is nothing solitary produced by AI - it was done before. AI will probably not easily able to cover those missing skills.

Related example: Looking at the mass of AI plugins shows me a complete absence of ideas and sense for aesthetics. Same goes probably for AI music (never heard an AI song; at least I'm not aware of)

I think that's a very subjective assessment, mine is quite different. We've had no trouble getting Ai to give us exactly the aesthetic we're after, whether it's writing, images or music and anyone who can even suggest a lack of musicality is clearly blind to reality. This stuff is coming to eat your lunch, whether you like it or not. If you sit their and ignore the reality of the situation, it will roll right over you. As the guy says in the video "it's not AI that's going to take your job, it's the person who understands AI who is going to take your job". Believe it.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

[noiseresearch]

Shitty ideas, a missing sense for aesthetics and lack of musicality is nothing solitary produced by AI - it was done before. AI will probably not easily able to cover those missing skills.

Related example: Looking at the mass of AI plugins shows me a complete absence of ideas and sense for aesthetics. Same goes probably for AI music (never heard an AI song; at least I'm not aware of)

I think that's a very subjective assessment, mine is quite different. We've had no trouble getting Ai to give us exactly the aesthetic we're after, whether it's writing, images or music and anyone who can even suggest a lack of musicality is clearly blind to reality. This stuff is coming to eat your lunch, whether you like it or not. If you sit their and ignore the reality of the situation, it will roll right over you. As the guy says in the video "it's not AI that's going to take your job, it's the person who understands AI who is going to take your job". Believe it.

Sure it's subjective. Who thinks this can be an objective topic? I'm not sure AI is gonna eat my lunch I still love eating and I'm not making money in a business which will be not overthrown by AI (AI assistance is a different topic). However, I'm not familiar with all your artistic output, but I'm pretty sure you have a good good understanding of the fundamentals of your genre or musical in general. My point was that AI probably lead to a heap of music generated (prompted) music by folks without any feeling for what they're doing.

PS: I leave any ethics beside as we now could ask where all the AI is getting the "ideas" from.

[surreal]

Shitty ideas, a missing sense for aesthetics and lack of musicality is nothing solitary produced by AI - it was done before. AI will probably not easily able to cover those missing skills.

Related example: Looking at the mass of AI plugins shows me a complete absence of ideas and sense for aesthetics. Same goes probably for AI music (never heard an AI song; at least I'm not aware of)

I think that's a very subjective assessment, mine is quite different. We've had no trouble getting Ai to give us exactly the aesthetic we're after, whether it's writing, images or music and anyone who can even suggest a lack of musicality is clearly blind to reality. This stuff is coming to eat your lunch, whether you like it or not. If you sit their and ignore the reality of the situation, it will roll right over you. As the guy says in the video "it's not AI that's going to take your job, it's the person who understands AI who is going to take your job". Believe it.

Hi Bones, hope you are well Mate? I just want to ask from a technical aspect, how do you use Ai in your genre and what Ai do you use if you don't mind Sharing. I have no horse in an Ai race but i am intrigued about the technology used and amused by the polarised politics about it here and on youtube.

[BONES]

We've just finished an album where we started by generating around 400 songs in Tunee, which is a music AI. As we were working on them we selected songs that met our criteria and I spent a week or two on each, deconstructing the song and rebuilding it in Studio Pro. After about three months we had enough good material for an album. Shortly after, Tunee lost its contract to use Suno's models and the models it started using were pretty useless, so we were lucky to get things done when we did. (Tunee is free, Suno costs money.)

The album has 12 tracks, two of which are short interstitials we made ourselves. The 10 songs we wrote with Tunee have varying degrees of AI sound still in them. 3 or 4 of them have absolutely nothing left from the AI generated original and 3 others have backing vocals from the AI version. Some of them have Battery augmenting the AI drums (I used stem separation in Studio pro to split the tracks), either the drum track as the AI made it or a loop made from the drums. We also left a few spoken word voice snippets in a few of them and a couple have bits and pieces of synth parts from the AI left in to fill out the sound a bit more. I've also added extra parts to some of them and left parts out of others. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say that less than 10% of the sound you hear on the album was made by AI but around 80% of the music was written by the AI, under our direction. We fed it most of the lyrics, although it sometimes changed things around a bit.

For me, the process didn't feel significantly different from working with my bandmate's original ideas. It was really like having a 3rd member of our songwriting partnership. We all had our input, in order - Craig (my bandmate) first, then Tunee, then me, then back to Craig and lastly to me for final mixing and mastering.

From go to woah this album has taken us maybe a month longer than the last one took, so we weren't doing it to save time, and it is without doubt the hardest we have ever worked to get an album finished so it definitely didn't make the job any easier. What it did was make the songs we've come up with a whole lot better than we'd have done on our own and it pushed us out of our comfort zone, it made us try new things we'd never have thought to try otherwise. It is also the first time that I'd say I actually enjoyed the process, which is why we worked so hard on it.

PS: I leave any ethics beside as we now could ask where all the AI is getting the "ideas" from.

From the same places we do. The music I was making before I discovered the EBM genre is very different to what I've been doing since I discovered it. It's had a profound influence on the sort of music I make. And we're all the same, we are a product of our influences. Ai doesn't have the luxury of growing up so it gets its exposure to these influences from its training.