Why Linux is Becoming Impossible for Audio Developers to Ignore

[TechHaus]

Don't forget the Renoise and the various other trackers on Linux!

[mabian]

Reaper probably has a disproportionately high linux market share too because your choices are basically Reaper and Bitwig for pro audio DAW. Sure, Ardour is there too, but in terms of apps with any hope of widespread developer support, it's Bitwig or Reaper.

... and don't forget Fender Studio One.

FSO doesn't have a good reputation on Linux, according to some feedback and insider information it seems it's almost an experiment in which no more than two devs are involved...

[audiojunkie]

Reaper probably has a disproportionately high linux market share too because your choices are basically Reaper and Bitwig for pro audio DAW. Sure, Ardour is there too, but in terms of apps with any hope of widespread developer support, it's Bitwig or Reaper.

... and don't forget Fender Studio One.

FSO doesn't have a good reputation on Linux, according to some feedback and insider information it seems it's almost an experiment in which no more than two devs are involved...

The biggest problem with FSO, is that they made the decision to support Wayland directly way, way too early. There is only one plugin developer, in the whole industry, who has supported Wayland, and he has made his plugins dual support (X11 as well as Wayland). FSO will save themselves a ton of rewrite time in 25 years, when Wayland is fully supported, but in the mean time, no one is going to want to use FSO because everyone in the industry supports X11 right now, and X11 plugins' GUIs won't show up on FSO without X11 support. It's quite a shame, really, because otherwise, would would have liked to use FSO for its simplicity.

[keys_au1]

I easily believe that for Reaper. Willing to bet you could also swap the MacOS and Windows percentages for "Percentage of people that paid for the license."

Reaper has among the best licensing approaches out there and you can use it for free forever if you are a douchebag and keep refusing to cough up the $60.

yeah it is strange... especially when those same folks will happily spend $120 on ONE plugin hahaha!

You guys are making assumptions. I thought we were all about discussing facts here.

Not really...I'd suggest the developers know how many downloads are being made against the number of licences purchased. IIRC it has been discussed on the forums at some point in the past and it was accepted by the Cockos folks that a percentage of folks continue to use the app with obtaining a licence. And I daresay Cockos alos get data from the hosting repos about installs friom those lcoations too, so I'd surmise from that that they are included in the 3% figure.

[audiojunkie]

I easily believe that for Reaper. Willing to bet you could also swap the MacOS and Windows percentages for "Percentage of people that paid for the license."

Reaper has among the best licensing approaches out there and you can use it for free forever if you are a douchebag and keep refusing to cough up the $60.

yeah it is strange... especially when those same folks will happily spend $120 on ONE plugin hahaha!

You guys are making assumptions. I thought we were all about discussing facts here.

Not really...I'd suggest the developers know how many downloads are being made against the number of licences purchased. IIRC it has been discussed on the forums at some point in the past and it was accepted by the Cockos folks that a percentage of folks continue to use the app with obtaining a licence. And I daresay Cockos alos get data from the hosting repos about installs friom those lcoations too, so I'd surmise from that that they are included in the 3% figure.

If that were the case, it would be exactly the same for Windows and MacOS users.

BTW, you never told me if you checked out Element or not. You made some accusations, and I pointed out the truth to you, and you went totally silent on the subject. I take it the silence is an admission that you recognize that I was correct, but you still made some unkind accusations when I was just trying to be helpful.

[keys_au1]

This was one of the apps I recommended to you a long time ago, along with Carla as part of a modular live setup rig on Linux....

And I did look at it at the time and it still needed compiling by the end-user, but this is an update of that and seems it is not far from am "installer" version.

You don’t need to compile it. You can get a copy from the developer. He open sourced the code, and only charges a fee to download the binary. It’s available on his site.

in among all the other dross on this thread, I did miss this reply. I have not had time to go back and see if indeed there is the d/l version available. When I looked after your original comment on it, I could not find an installable file, as in .deb,.sh or other LInux install type. All I could read and see was no auto install (I paraphrase here) option.

[keys_au1]

Oh and a word to the wise? You really need to let go of some things....and move on. Too much stress already on this world, without worrying over what happended yesterday.

It's a little thread on a forum that in the great big context of everything means "diddly-squat". I prefer to create, not construct! Probs why I seek the simpler ways of doing things, if it doesn't work I move on.

[audiojunkie]

Oh and a word to the wise? You really need to let go of some things....and move on. Too much stress already on this world, without worrying over what happended yesterday.

It's a little thread on a forum that in the great big context of everything means "diddly-squat". I prefer to create, not construct! Probs why I seek the simpler ways of doing things, if it doesn't work I move on.

Oh! I plan to let it go. It's just that we've had several conversations about all of this, and I keep getting treated like I'm the bad guy! You do you, of course.

[keys_au1]

Oh and a word to the wise? You really need to let go of some things....and move on. Too much stress already on this world, without worrying over what happended yesterday.

It's a little thread on a forum that in the great big context of everything means "diddly-squat". I prefer to create, not construct! Probs why I seek the simpler ways of doing things, if it doesn't work I move on.

Oh! I plan to let it go. It's just that we've had several conversations about all of this, and I keep getting treated like I'm the bad guy! You do you, of course.

god no, you are not the bad guy at all, far from it. I do not make those sorts of distinctions/judgements. How can one, on a text based medium?

I just make observations at a particulalr moment regarding a particualr action or comment NOT, nor ever, against a person, personally

You have given lots of good advice, links and other such information and IF I ever get out of windows again, I will be referring to all that again, which is bookmarked and/or linked.

[audiojunkie]

Oh and a word to the wise? You really need to let go of some things....and move on. Too much stress already on this world, without worrying over what happended yesterday.

It's a little thread on a forum that in the great big context of everything means "diddly-squat". I prefer to create, not construct! Probs why I seek the simpler ways of doing things, if it doesn't work I move on.

Oh! I plan to let it go. It's just that we've had several conversations about all of this, and I keep getting treated like I'm the bad guy! You do you, of course.

god no, you are not the bad guy at all, far from it. I do not make those sorts of distinctions/judgements. How can one, on a text based medium?

I just make observations at a particulalr moment regarding a particualr action or comment NOT, nor ever, against a person, personally

You have given lots of good advice, links and other such information and IF I ever get out of windows again, I will be referring to all that again, which is bookmarked and/or linked.

[stoopicus]

If that were the case, it would be exactly the same for Windows and MacOS users.

It is, and as mentioned above, MacOS statistically has a disproportionately low piracy rate, Windows disproportionately high, and this is easily googleable.

It's unclear yet if there is a viable commercial market for music software on linux at all so the discussion of paying vs nonpaying customers is relevant.

I don't think this is controversial?

[TechHaus]

June S T E A M numbers. Linux fell. (sorry i had to edit this heavily the site's spam filters wouldn't let me submit)

but phoronix said:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Steam-Survey-June-2026

For what it's worth, in the June survey, Simplified Chinese use shot up by 2.34% to 24.19% of all Steam users. Usually when there is a big increase to the Chinese Steam user-base it correlates to decreased Linux usage.

Percentages are kind of flawed if you don't know the base number you are working with.

[stoopicus]

Now that is some weird copium

[audiojunkie]

If that were the case, it would be exactly the same for Windows and MacOS users.

It is, and as mentioned above, MacOS statistically has a disproportionately low piracy rate, Windows disproportionately high, and this is easily googleable.

It's unclear yet if there is a viable commercial market for music software on linux at all so the discussion of paying vs nonpaying customers is relevant.

I don't think this is controversial?

I seriously doubt this subject will be decided by anyone in this thread. And even if it was decided in this thread, I highly doubt the decision would have any relevance on decisions in the real world. There is ample evidence that not all developers hold the same opinions. They will do what they want to do. I will keep on asking for Linux support, and I will keep on buying from those who provide it.