Izotope joining Boris FX

[digitalboytn]

NI was sold to InMusic, iZotope is now sold to Boris, what happens to PA now?

PA will become a public address system for the masses

[mimtemdo]

Dirk buys it back for $10

[agharta]

Dirk buys it back for $10

He'll use a sneaky coupon worth ten bucks and get it for free.
Then when he tries to transfer ownership, they'll say that transfers aren't allowed right now and we'll be back to where things were.

[VitaminD]

Is Exponential Audio still even around? I was under the impression that they sold their legacy plugins and algorithms to iZotope but weren't active as a company anymore.

Yes this is true. I am thinking whatever dev team they had moved too, but maybe not.

Products are so superfluous these days that they really don't hold much value. Today's hot new software is tomorrows outdated, forgotten relic on the wasteheap of former hot new softwares. And that is often due to how companies treat their own products..

[Gamma-UT]

Is Exponential Audio still even around? I was under the impression that they sold their legacy plugins and algorithms to iZotope but weren't active as a company anymore.

Yes this is true. I am thinking whatever dev team they had moved too, but maybe not.

Products are so superfluous these days that they really don't hold much value. Today's hot new software is tomorrows outdated, forgotten relic on the wasteheap of former hot new softwares. And that is often due to how companies treat their own products..

Exponential's owner was a former engineer at Lexicon who sold up to Izotope when he retired, much like Wolfgang Palm with the PPG plugins. Those then disappeared without trace at PA.

However, some of the algorithms from EA went into Izotope's Neoverb.

[VitaminD]

Is Exponential Audio still even around? I was under the impression that they sold their legacy plugins and algorithms to iZotope but weren't active as a company anymore.

Yes this is true. I am thinking whatever dev team they had moved too, but maybe not.

Products are so superfluous these days that they really don't hold much value. Today's hot new software is tomorrows outdated, forgotten relic on the wasteheap of former hot new softwares. And that is often due to how companies treat their own products..

Exponential's owner was a former engineer at Lexicon who sold up to Izotope when he retired, much like Wolfgang Palm with the PPG plugins. Those then disappeared without trace at PA.

However, some of the algorithms from EA went into Izotope's Neoverb.

Yes but I figured it was more than him that worked at Exponential, even if he was the lead. The issue though isn't that -- it's that the majority of his reverbs faded into nothingness as far as supported products.

Every time one company merges with another, products tend to disappear.. since there is no money to be made in supporting what is already owned. So those get discontinued and new products made. And now we can effectively buy again what we already have.

I don't like that. I think at this point I will just see the Exponential/Izotope/NativeInstruments/BorisFX products fade out of my toolbox as much as possible.

The companies with the larger corporate footprint are about as bad as the new businesses with no footprint just starting, when it comes to trustworthiness on supporting their products. Especially the companies that throw everything at the wall to see what products stick, instead of carefully crafting a small number of products and working to improve them over time.

[fisherKing]

I gave up on izotope a while ago fortunately.

i continue to master with ozone, which i love. also use nectar, sometimes vocalsynth; RX when needed. all good here

[concealed identity]

Is Exponential Audio still even around? I was under the impression that they sold their legacy plugins and algorithms to iZotope but weren't active as a company anymore.

Yes this is true. I am thinking whatever dev team they had moved too, but maybe not.

Products are so superfluous these days that they really don't hold much value. Today's hot new software is tomorrows outdated, forgotten relic on the wasteheap of former hot new softwares. And that is often due to how companies treat their own products..

I feel like at least some of that has to do with compatibility breaking on Macs with OS updates. I still see a lot of comments from Windows users who still use Trash 2, the old Exponential reverbs, Camel Crusher, etc. I suppose high-rez displays also play a role as well. Of course the marketing machine for new and shiny is strong, but I think the fact that a substantial part of the user base literally can't use older software is a big reason for this.

[Chicken Drummy]

Sorry for the off-topic for a minute...

[snip]

Ironically; for the people who have them over and over and for years, control is the one thing giving power to the phenomenon and only makes it worse. It took me 5 whole years before finally learning that relinquishing control and 'letting it happen' and not try to fight it or prevent it was in fact what made it lose its grip. Only one time it came back after that was years later during a massive burn-out and that is common in such adrenal depleted states. As intense as it was, I could let it happen and not fear it's return afterwards.

Sorry, my intent is not to make it about me. But I hold a special place for everyone who has gone through more than a few of these.

Peace & Love.

For once I actually feel seen and understood on KVR.

[fisherKing]

Is Exponential Audio still even around? I was under the impression that they sold their legacy plugins and algorithms to iZotope but weren't active as a company anymore.

Yes this is true. I am thinking whatever dev team they had moved too, but maybe not.

Products are so superfluous these days that they really don't hold much value. Today's hot new software is tomorrows outdated, forgotten relic on the wasteheap of former hot new softwares. And that is often due to how companies treat their own products..

I feel like at least some of that has to do with compatibility breaking on Macs with OS updates. I still see a lot of comments from Windows users who still use Trash 2, the old Exponential reverbs, Camel Crusher, etc. I suppose high-rez displays also play a role as well. Of course the marketing machine for new and shiny is strong, but I think the fact that a substantial part of the user base literally can't use older software is a big reason for this.

i run all the mac OS developer betas, and don't experience breaks (not like i used to). OS26, and now 27, are pretty impressive in terms of what works (apps, 3rd-party plugins). currently, everything is working

[osiris]

You know, a lot of my Izotope stuff never even got migrated to NI, so I'm sure it's now lost in space.

The old Izotope login details still work even though it goes via the NI servers right now.

That's how I've been updating them - with the Izotope portal. I also vaguely remember giving up on Samplitude after it got sold to Boris FX because they wanted to nickel and dime me for updates. I see now they went to subscription or buy for more than a TV from Walmart.(LOL)

[jamcat]

Thankfully I’ve never been a fan of iZotope. I went from being mostly indifferent to actively despising the company after they bought Exponential Audio (which I used at the time) and then trashed Michael’s product line.

I had a few free iZotope plugins but even deleted those as they were more trouble than they were worth.

[jamcat]

i run all the mac OS developer betas, and don't experience breaks (not like i used to). OS26, and now 27, are pretty impressive in terms of what works (apps, 3rd-party plugins). currently, everything is working

Yeah, a lot of people just don’t get that Apple had to go through a staggered series of staged breaking changes to prepare the Apple ecosystem for Apple Silicon. It was an astonishingly smooth transition considering that they migrated to a completely new and unrelated architecture and security regime. These disruptions were fairly minimal, as the vast majority of responsible active developers ported to Apple Silicon in a timely manner. Only abandonware and a few shitty developers who just couldn’t cut it got lost in the process.

But Apple completed the transition a while ago so there aren’t going to be any more breaking changes like what we saw during the transition. Still, this unfair stigma persists, even among some opinionated developers who really should know better.

[fisherKing]

i run all the mac OS developer betas, and don't experience breaks (not like i used to). OS26, and now 27, are pretty impressive in terms of what works (apps, 3rd-party plugins). currently, everything is working

Yeah, a lot of people just don’t get that Apple had to go through a staggered series of staged breaking changes to prepare the Apple ecosystem for Apple Silicon. It was an astonishingly smooth transition considering that they migrated to a completely new and unrelated architecture and security regime. These disruptions were fairly minimal, as the vast majority of responsible active developers ported to Apple Silicon in a timely manner. Only abandonware and a few shitty developers who just couldn’t cut it got lost in the process.

But Apple completed the transition a while ago so there aren’t going to be any more breaking changes like what we saw during the transition. Still, this unfair stigma persists, even among some opinionated developers who really should know better.

there are still issues (at least, moving to tahoe), but nothing extraordinary. moving to 27 has (so far) been the easiest transition here (in terms of functionality, and 3rd-party plugins).