Waveform 14 released.
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Peter Widdicombe Peter Widdicombe https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=336849
- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 29 Aug, 2014
Yeah, samples will guide you through - particularly for a first one.
Somebody here had asked for one to determine the length from start to end markers, and it was simpler than I figured - I was kind of surprised that this would work; but outpos - inpos actually worked properly without having to fiddle with minutes and seconds...
var inPos = Tracktion.getPosition('loopIn');
var outPos = Tracktion.getPosition('loopOut');
var secRange = outPos - inPos; // time in seconds between in and out
Tracktion.showMessage('Loop duration: ' + secRange);
In testing it, I realized myself I'd rather be able to simply MARK off a range graphically, and with a minor tweak this worked... without having to actually SET in and out markers
var inPos = Tracktion.getPosition('markIn');
var outPos = Tracktion.getPosition('markOut');
var secRange = outPos - inPos; // Length of marked region
Tracktion.showMessage('Marked duration: ' + secRange);
The "trickiest" part was realizing where to put it - it's in under Keyboard shortcuts way at the end under MACROs.
Somebody here had asked for one to determine the length from start to end markers, and it was simpler than I figured - I was kind of surprised that this would work; but outpos - inpos actually worked properly without having to fiddle with minutes and seconds...
var inPos = Tracktion.getPosition('loopIn');
var outPos = Tracktion.getPosition('loopOut');
var secRange = outPos - inPos; // time in seconds between in and out
Tracktion.showMessage('Loop duration: ' + secRange);
In testing it, I realized myself I'd rather be able to simply MARK off a range graphically, and with a minor tweak this worked... without having to actually SET in and out markers
var inPos = Tracktion.getPosition('markIn');
var outPos = Tracktion.getPosition('markOut');
var secRange = outPos - inPos; // Length of marked region
Tracktion.showMessage('Marked duration: ' + secRange);
The "trickiest" part was realizing where to put it - it's in under Keyboard shortcuts way at the end under MACROs.
Waveform 13; Win10 desktop/8 Gig; Win11 Laptop; MPK261; VFX+disfunctional ESQ-1
- KVRAF
- 37464 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
So I caved, realised I couldn't use modulators in the rack which is an annoying limitation of the free version.aMUSEd wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 10:22 am I have decided the free version is more than adequate for me, especially given all the instruments and effects included in the Pro version I already own, and don't need surround or AI.
- KVRAF
- 4892 posts since 3 Jan, 2003 from Vancouver
If you run the actual installer file independent of the Download Manager you can see the changelog. On my system (Windows), the DM downloads the installer file into my Downloads folder and leaves it there, so I run it until I get the changelog and then cancel. I don't know if the same is true for other OSes.ajawasthi wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 2:25 am Is there a changelog somewhere? I’m interested in looking up more technical changes and fixes as well
Surely there must be consensus by now...
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 21 May, 2010
May I ask if you went for the full upgrade or just one or two of the expansions? (I think our situations are probably very similar.)aMUSEd wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 10:28 amSo I caved, realised I couldn't use modulators in the rack which is an annoying limitation of the free version.aMUSEd wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 10:22 am I have decided the free version is more than adequate for me, especially given all the instruments and effects included in the Pro version I already own, and don't need surround or AI.
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- KVRian
- 958 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
That seems an oddly specific limitation.aMUSEd wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 10:28 am So I caved, realised I couldn't use modulators in the rack which is an annoying limitation of the free version.
You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge.
-- Rush Show Don't Tell
-- Rush Show Don't Tell
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 21 May, 2010
- KVRAF
- 37464 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I just got the basic pro update - even then I have Biotek 3 and Collective already. Also I have everything in the Studio Bundle already anyway, apart from the Retromod collection which doesn't interest me, nor does Dan Dean Bass and any of the sample content.havran wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 11:51 pmMay I ask if you went for the full upgrade or just one or two of the expansions? (I think our situations are probably very similar.)aMUSEd wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 10:28 amSo I caved, realised I couldn't use modulators in the rack which is an annoying limitation of the free version.aMUSEd wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2026 10:22 am I have decided the free version is more than adequate for me, especially given all the instruments and effects included in the Pro version I already own, and don't need surround or AI.
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- KVRist
- 30 posts since 1 Oct, 2025
So I caved and went for
Ableton Full suite.
Hello logical workflow and a programe I can concentrate on making music and not have to be a computer programer to do simple stuff

Ableton Full suite.
Hello logical workflow and a programe I can concentrate on making music and not have to be a computer programer to do simple stuff
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- KVRian
- 958 posts since 14 Apr, 2004 from Maryland, USA
Well, to me, I guess.
You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge.
-- Rush Show Don't Tell
-- Rush Show Don't Tell
- KVRAF
- 37464 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Because the modulators make the rack so much more powerful - I guess they see that as a 'Pro' feature - it does have the LFO but not MSEGs, Step seq etcDaveL60 wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2026 1:38 pmWell, to me, I guess.My understanding is that a rack is just a container for routing connections among multiple plug-ins. So I don't see why modulators should get special (or in this case, un-special) treatment. OTOH my experience with racks is pretty limited / shallow.
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- KVRer
- 17 posts since 9 Apr, 2026
I've used the rack modulators before and only realised yesterday that they're a pro feature. I wouldn't say they're a huge part of my workflow, but definitely something I will miss if I don't get the full version.aMUSEd wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2026 1:53 pm Because the modulators make the rack so much more powerful - I guess they see that as a 'Pro' feature - it does have the LFO but not MSEGs, Step seq etc
