Moving from FL Studio -> Bitwig 6 - Any reason to maybe consider Ableton?

[Rastkovic]

stuff like Strumming etc. should be possible without adding devices, I want to make a simple Piano/Guitarmelody with some basic strumming in the Piano Roll, not having to use a device. this is good for more complex melodies and mostly electronic music and ambient etc. i didnt find a BASIC strumming in the operator section as well, would be neat.

Well, you can always print midi data. That's how I used NI Reaktor and Ableton Live for many years. A bit different workflow, of course.

yesterday I was finding out that it seems a TRADITIONAL mixer isnt in Ableton, was odd but then I saw some advantages, you dont need to switch windows, but i like it maybe more like more traditional and bigger knobs etc like FL Studio and Bitwig is mixing both nicely (though the buigger faders etc. would be welcome). I might not get into the looks of Ableton though which might be th KO for it for me atm, so still Bitwig on the lead so far.

I guess you are using Live 11, at least that was solved in the 12 version.

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[Fornicras]

As a previous FL user for about 6 years and Studio One user for about 4 years I'm looking to change as well.
FL Studio's beat creation (for R&B and trap) workflow was godly for me, but the thing it lost me was recording audio (vocals mostly) and mixing.
One thing I miss most is that you can pan the notes individually (for hi-hat rolls, etc) in a single sampler channel/track.
I don't think it's possible in any other DAW. Certainly not possible in Studio One.

Studio One, on the other hand, is perfect for audio and mixing, but it's too clunky for me to create beats with it, mostly because you have to work with a drum rack plugin or a sampler plugin for each drum sound you want to use. It certainly makes it harder to program drums fast, and it's not as intuitive as FL's channel rack, which I loved. Also, Studio One's MIDI editor is much worse than FL's.

Any idea how things are in Ableton according to what I explained above? Is it worth trying?

[Dionysos]

One thing I miss most is that you can pan the notes individually (for hi-hat rolls, etc) in a single sampler channel/track.
I don't think it's possible in any other DAW.

That's definitely possible in Bitwig with the built-in sampler using note expressions; it's not as simple to use as in FL (very fiddly if you're not using the expression overlay UI), but more powerful in principle.

[Trancit]

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stuff like Strumming etc. should be possible without adding devices, I want to make a simple Piano/Guitarmelody with some basic strumming in the Piano Roll, not having to use a device. this is good for more complex melodies and mostly electronic music and ambient etc. i didnt find a BASIC strumming in the operator section as well, would be neat.

For me the biggest differences between using something like Midi Tools in Ableton or the Tools in FLS´ PR editor and Midi devices:
1. and foremost: changes are directly reflected in the Midi and I don´t have to record anything to a new track, replace my current clips etc...
Midi devices are cool for some stuff but for kind of "editing" Midi they aren´t convincing for me...
2. by using devices for such kind of "editing" it´s more or less "all or nothing"...
means I cannot easily select a few wished notes and add for example strumming just to them...
It´s possible in Bitwig but needs more complex setup...
With PR tools I can just select the wished notes and edit just them...

So for kind of experimental or generative stuff where I know I want to use this "effect" on all notes, Midi devices can be really great...
For "editing" or just selective processing of some notes they are too cumbersome for me...
Ableton leads here in this regard with offering this directly in the PR...