The synths I keep are the ones that make editing feel quick
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ethanjamescolez ethanjamescolez https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=813285
- KVRer
- 5 posts since 8 Jul, 2026
I have owned and demoed enough synth plugins to realize that sound quality is not the only reason I keep using one.
Plenty of synths sound good. Some sound huge in the first five presets. Some have a browser full of polished sequences and cinematic pads. Some make me think I should buy them after ten minutes because the demo track almost writes itself.
But the synths that stay in my template are usually the ones I can edit quickly.
That is a different thing.
When I am actually making a track, I do not want to feel like I am operating a small spaceship just to soften the attack or make a bass patch less wide. I want the basic controls to be where my hands expect them. Oscillators, filter, envelopes, modulation, voice settings, effects. If I can get from "close" to "fits the track" in a minute, I will use that instrument more often than a deeper one that makes every change feel like a trip through tabs.
I am not against deep synths. I like them. I just use them differently. A complex wavetable or modular-style instrument is great when sound design is the point of the session. But if I am writing, the best synth is often the one that lets me move fast and stay musical.
Preset quality can be misleading too. I like good presets, but I trust simple presets more than spectacular ones. A dry saw pad, a basic pluck, a plain bass, a clean keys patch. If those feel good and respond well to small edits, the synth probably has something useful under the hood. If the presets only impress me because they are buried in delay, compression, and motion, I get suspicious.
The modulation system matters a lot. I do not need every possible routing, but I need the common ones to be painless. Envelope to filter. LFO to pitch or cutoff. Velocity to amp or brightness. Mod wheel to vibrato or expression. If those take too much menu work, I stop reaching for the synth.
CPU also affects whether I keep something around. I do not mind freezing tracks, but I do mind interrupting an idea because one patch eats the session. A synth that sounds 90 percent as good and lets me keep writing often wins.
The other underrated thing is gain staging. Some instruments come in extremely loud, which makes every preset feel impressive until it sits in a mix. I prefer synths that do not trick me with volume. Boring, maybe, but useful.
Over time I have started to split my instruments into two groups. Some are for exploration. Some are for finishing tracks. The finishing-track synths are usually not the flashiest ones. They are stable, predictable, easy to automate, and fast to edit.
That does not make them less creative. It makes them easier to trust.
What makes you keep using a synth after the first excitement wears off?
Is it the raw sound, the modulation, the browser, the CPU, the interface, or just familiarity?
Plenty of synths sound good. Some sound huge in the first five presets. Some have a browser full of polished sequences and cinematic pads. Some make me think I should buy them after ten minutes because the demo track almost writes itself.
But the synths that stay in my template are usually the ones I can edit quickly.
That is a different thing.
When I am actually making a track, I do not want to feel like I am operating a small spaceship just to soften the attack or make a bass patch less wide. I want the basic controls to be where my hands expect them. Oscillators, filter, envelopes, modulation, voice settings, effects. If I can get from "close" to "fits the track" in a minute, I will use that instrument more often than a deeper one that makes every change feel like a trip through tabs.
I am not against deep synths. I like them. I just use them differently. A complex wavetable or modular-style instrument is great when sound design is the point of the session. But if I am writing, the best synth is often the one that lets me move fast and stay musical.
Preset quality can be misleading too. I like good presets, but I trust simple presets more than spectacular ones. A dry saw pad, a basic pluck, a plain bass, a clean keys patch. If those feel good and respond well to small edits, the synth probably has something useful under the hood. If the presets only impress me because they are buried in delay, compression, and motion, I get suspicious.
The modulation system matters a lot. I do not need every possible routing, but I need the common ones to be painless. Envelope to filter. LFO to pitch or cutoff. Velocity to amp or brightness. Mod wheel to vibrato or expression. If those take too much menu work, I stop reaching for the synth.
CPU also affects whether I keep something around. I do not mind freezing tracks, but I do mind interrupting an idea because one patch eats the session. A synth that sounds 90 percent as good and lets me keep writing often wins.
The other underrated thing is gain staging. Some instruments come in extremely loud, which makes every preset feel impressive until it sits in a mix. I prefer synths that do not trick me with volume. Boring, maybe, but useful.
Over time I have started to split my instruments into two groups. Some are for exploration. Some are for finishing tracks. The finishing-track synths are usually not the flashiest ones. They are stable, predictable, easy to automate, and fast to edit.
That does not make them less creative. It makes them easier to trust.
What makes you keep using a synth after the first excitement wears off?
Is it the raw sound, the modulation, the browser, the CPU, the interface, or just familiarity?
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- KVRian
- 1055 posts since 6 Nov, 2010
Massive is one of the first soft synths I got. It's my MVP, old reliable, <insert more inane clichés here>. This one hangs around due to familiarity, it's easy to use, and it still sounds fine.
The other keepers are Pigments and Multi/Poly. I have a bunch of other soft synths but I could do without them. Just like my guitar collection, I could do just fine with one single coil and one humbucker guitar but the more the merrier.
The other keepers are Pigments and Multi/Poly. I have a bunch of other soft synths but I could do without them. Just like my guitar collection, I could do just fine with one single coil and one humbucker guitar but the more the merrier.
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- KVRAF
- 7306 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
I largely agree with the OP. To me, sound is still number one. But easy and quick workflow is right up there as one of the top things I like.
I use Linux, so I don’t have quite as many native options as others. That said, I I try to buy everything I can that fits my needs and goals. I have most of the U-he products, several of the TAL-Software products, several Audio Damage and AudioThing and Plogue products, and many many more. I try to cover as many of my sonic bases as possible: analog modeled subtractive synthesis, wavetable synthesis, FM, granular, sampling, etc, etc, etc.
But out of all of this, I think my favorite plugin at the moment, is Repro. What I like about it, is that not only does it sound fantastic, but also, it is dead simple. I’ve got Zebra 3, and other extremely powerful “supersynths”, and yet I keep coming back to the tools that are the easiest for me to work with.
I use Linux, so I don’t have quite as many native options as others. That said, I I try to buy everything I can that fits my needs and goals. I have most of the U-he products, several of the TAL-Software products, several Audio Damage and AudioThing and Plogue products, and many many more. I try to cover as many of my sonic bases as possible: analog modeled subtractive synthesis, wavetable synthesis, FM, granular, sampling, etc, etc, etc.
But out of all of this, I think my favorite plugin at the moment, is Repro. What I like about it, is that not only does it sound fantastic, but also, it is dead simple. I’ve got Zebra 3, and other extremely powerful “supersynths”, and yet I keep coming back to the tools that are the easiest for me to work with.
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- KVRAF
- 2778 posts since 3 Dec, 2006
What Synths do you use that meets your Criteria?ethanjamescolez wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:45 pm I have owned and demoed enough synth plugins to realize that sound quality is not the only reason I keep using one.
Plenty of synths sound good. Some sound huge in the first five presets. Some have a browser full of polished sequences and cinematic pads. Some make me think I should buy them after ten minutes because the demo track almost writes itself.
But the synths that stay in my template are usually the ones I can edit quickly.
That is a different thing.
When I am actually making a track, I do not want to feel like I am operating a small spaceship just to soften the attack or make a bass patch less wide. I want the basic controls to be where my hands expect them. Oscillators, filter, envelopes, modulation, voice settings, effects. If I can get from "close" to "fits the track" in a minute, I will use that instrument more often than a deeper one that makes every change feel like a trip through tabs.
I am not against deep synths. I like them. I just use them differently. A complex wavetable or modular-style instrument is great when sound design is the point of the session. But if I am writing, the best synth is often the one that lets me move fast and stay musical.
Preset quality can be misleading too. I like good presets, but I trust simple presets more than spectacular ones. A dry saw pad, a basic pluck, a plain bass, a clean keys patch. If those feel good and respond well to small edits, the synth probably has something useful under the hood. If the presets only impress me because they are buried in delay, compression, and motion, I get suspicious.
The modulation system matters a lot. I do not need every possible routing, but I need the common ones to be painless. Envelope to filter. LFO to pitch or cutoff. Velocity to amp or brightness. Mod wheel to vibrato or expression. If those take too much menu work, I stop reaching for the synth.
CPU also affects whether I keep something around. I do not mind freezing tracks, but I do mind interrupting an idea because one patch eats the session. A synth that sounds 90 percent as good and lets me keep writing often wins.
The other underrated thing is gain staging. Some instruments come in extremely loud, which makes every preset feel impressive until it sits in a mix. I prefer synths that do not trick me with volume. Boring, maybe, but useful.
Over time I have started to split my instruments into two groups. Some are for exploration. Some are for finishing tracks. The finishing-track synths are usually not the flashiest ones. They are stable, predictable, easy to automate, and fast to edit.
That does not make them less creative. It makes them easier to trust.
What makes you keep using a synth after the first excitement wears off?
Is it the raw sound, the modulation, the browser, the CPU, the interface, or just familiarity?
- KVRian
- 614 posts since 10 Jan, 2026
A long 'what do you use' post from a new user....hmmm
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- KVRAF
- 2886 posts since 24 Nov, 2023
Sounds like you need to learn your Synths better. These days unless I need a specific emulation of something for a specific task, I am pretty much always using what most would consider deep Synths like Falcon, Omnisphere, HALion7, Zebra 3 etc. It's dead simple to soften the attack and or make a bass patch less wide if you know them. Literally secondsethanjamescolez wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:45 pm When I am actually making a track, I do not want to feel like I am operating a small spaceship just to soften the attack or make a bass patch less wide. I want the basic controls to be where my hands expect them. Oscillators, filter, envelopes, modulation, voice settings, effects. If I can get from "close" to "fits the track" in a minute, I will use that instrument more often than a deeper one that makes every change feel like a trip through tabs.
I am not against deep synths. I like them. I just use them differently. A complex wavetable or modular-style instrument is great when sound design is the point of the session. But if I am writing, the best synth is often the one that lets me move fast and stay musical.
Have to say that these are all things that would be dead simple to assign universally to a controller, which is the real time saver and will always keep you in the flow. Want to soften the attack? Simple I have a fader for that. It's always the same fader no matter the plugin and all I have to do is move it and it's done, don't even need to look at the screen
Also have to say the biggest buzzkill when writing or working on something new isnt speed or lack there of as you describe, it's lack of options. That's why I use so called Deep Synths, because if I need it want to change something or tweak something the more options I have the better. That is far superior than wasting time with a synth that doesn't quite do the job
As far as speed goes if I have a musical idea and want to quickly get something going so called deep Synths have thousands of presets that cover every musical scenario. So I can quickly drop in a piano, or strings, or a pad, or a Minimoog, or a tuba, or whatever and get the arrangement and chord progression down and worry about specific sounds later
- KVRAF
- 7306 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
Ah! I didn’t even think to look!
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- KVRian
- 593 posts since 18 May, 2020
They launched a couple of essays at once last night. One right after the other (I'm a chronic "Latest Posts" checker).
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Last edited by TechHaus on Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 7306 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
Most of my posts end up looking like essays. If I were one, I’d be immediately outed!TechHaus wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:06 pmThey launched a couple of essays at once last night. One right after the other (I'm a chronic "Latest Posts" checker).
Look at the post history to see the others.
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- KVRian
- 593 posts since 18 May, 2020
audiojunkie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:11 pmMost of my posts end up looking like essays. If I were one, I’d be immediately outed!TechHaus wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:06 pmThey launched a couple of essays at once last night. One right after the other (I'm a chronic "Latest Posts" checker).
Look at the post history to see the others.![]()
Sure, but you don't post 5 at once!
Maybe they were just trying to DM someone and wanted to hit their 5 posts quickly, if I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
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- KVRAF
- 7306 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
Agreed. Several essay-length posts all at the same time though would be pretty difficult to pull off.TechHaus wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:12 pmaudiojunkie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:11 pmMost of my posts end up looking like essays. If I were one, I’d be immediately outed!TechHaus wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:06 pmThey launched a couple of essays at once last night. One right after the other (I'm a chronic "Latest Posts" checker).
Look at the post history to see the others.![]()
Sure, but you don't post 5 at once!
Maybe they were just trying to DM someone and wanted to hit their 5 posts quickly, if I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
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- KVRian
- 1201 posts since 2 Oct, 2021
Just wanted to mention that I like your insightful "essays". I read them often.audiojunkie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:20 pmAgreed. Several essay-length posts all at the same time though would be pretty difficult to pull off.TechHaus wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:12 pmaudiojunkie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:11 pmMost of my posts end up looking like essays. If I were one, I’d be immediately outed!TechHaus wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:06 pmThey launched a couple of essays at once last night. One right after the other (I'm a chronic "Latest Posts" checker).
Look at the post history to see the others.![]()
Sure, but you don't post 5 at once!
Maybe they were just trying to DM someone and wanted to hit their 5 posts quickly, if I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.![]()
To me you have a lot to say which is useful and beneficial.
And I like your sig!
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- KVRAF
- 7306 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
That’s kind of you to say, Wassup!
I don’t usually hear any feedback, other than disagreement and complaints. Thank you! 
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