One Synth Challenge #209: JS80P by Attila M. Magyar

[ELEX]

The worst offender of all:
Because it does not report the knob tweaking to the host, the host can't undo them. So you could be tweaking your patch for 10 minutes, then press Ctrl-Z once, and your synth is completely gone from the project (cause the last thing you did was "add the synth" as far as the DAW is concerned). VST3, x64, Windows, FL Studio. This is completely insane. This instantly reduces all this work from a useful thing to a toy. I absolutely cannot have such big losses after I worked my ass off. This is only acceptable if you don't take anything you do seriously and don't have to compose music at the end of the day. Not to mention I do need the undo when I create a patch. If not internally, then at least the external one. Tweaked the DIST a little bit and don't like it now? Hope you remember the previous value.

That may actually be a DAW related problem. I experience no such problems in Reaper ( Windows. ) Undo seems to work just fine.

You cannot use PM/FM/AM while not hearing the modulator?? I must be missing something, that cannot be, right?.. And another envelope necessary to assign, cause now the modulator clicks by default, too.

If MODE is set to Mix&Mod, and MIX % to zero, you should not hear the modulator.

Previously mentioned lack of phase select or even phase lock creates wild randomness on the most basic PM patch. Cool to resample, not cool to use otherwise if you don't need that.

Phase reset definitely does occur, but it seems to be tied to envelope release stage. A sine played after a release ends always look like this.

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It does here in Reaper, anyway. Similarly for other waveforms. It's not 100% clear if this works per voice in POLY mode, as it is very hard to meaningfully read a scope like that, but FM'ing carr with mod set as low as it goes strongly suggests that it does.

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On the subject of PM/FM/AM I would like to remark that it's here that the single source modulation system is quite problematic. In the sense that once a modulator is assigned to FIN, it becomes impossible to then tune the oscillators relatively to each other in any reasonable way. Also a +- 600 cents master tune is sadly missed, imho, as many an PM/FM/AM patch shifts the fundamental frequency and thus requires adjustment. Though lack of the latter has lately become a somewhat silly trend in VIs, even reputable paid ones.

Btw, interesting feature of the bandpass filters: for low values of Q the slope gets extremely shallow. Useful for creating pinkish noise.

[jsandas]

The worst offender of all:
Because it does not report the knob tweaking to the host, the host can't undo them. So you could be tweaking your patch for 10 minutes, then press Ctrl-Z once, and your synth is completely gone from the project (cause the last thing you did was "add the synth" as far as the DAW is concerned). VST3, x64, Windows, FL Studio. This is completely insane. This instantly reduces all this work from a useful thing to a toy. I absolutely cannot have such big losses after I worked my ass off. This is only acceptable if you don't take anything you do seriously and don't have to compose music at the end of the day. Not to mention I do need the undo when I create a patch. If not internally, then at least the external one. Tweaked the DIST a little bit and don't like it now? Hope you remember the previous value.

That may actually be a DAW related problem. I experience no such problems in Reaper ( Windows. ) Undo seems to work just fine.

Undo works normally in Reaper on my mac as well (command-Z undoes the latest change in the currently open vst instance), but I get the bug in Waveform (command-Z removes the recently added vst, tested in Waveform 13.5 pro and Waveform 14 free).

I haven't tested anything else and honestly kind of like the unpredictability of the settings, but I understand if other people don't!