SUNO is killer!

[dayjob]

Of course it’s obvious news but nice to have more details and receipts. Also, the relatively weak security of these systems is worth thinking about. The people making these things aren’t so smart.

Actually there's a very intelligent process at work. Suno was designed to fail. After all A.I. can design a DAW in a few days. No big deal. The whole point is to sway people towards A.I. knowing the hostility that will have to be dealt with. So you create a "Suno" predetermined to be popular and fail like A Milli Vanilli.
Alternatives will come up promising better security and better performance options and voila, you win the faith of the sheep. It's actually not rocket science it's the way things have been working since the dawn of apes.
After Milli Vanilli, look at all those bands and artists who were dismissed as ever going the lip - syncing/instrument - syncing route.

i agree that there is a bigger agenda at work and people can go on an on about what that is. there’s plenty of well informed smart people on youtube making hour long videos about it.. some of them are worth watching..

my comment about them not being very smart is they’re kinda phoning it in at times and leaving it open to exploits… i doubt all of that is on purpose.

[ghettosynth]

my comment about them not being very smart is they’re kinda phoning it in at times and leaving it open to exploits… i doubt all of that is on purpose.

I doubt that. They are a target. This kind of thing happens quite a bit and they may very well trying to do things correctly but failed. I would agree that if there was an actual break-in, and it went unreported to users, then that is phoning it in.

[BONES]

Yes, this is a good point, because Streaming & VOD are kind of already causing this on the TV & movie side (of course there are still clear "pop culture phenomena" like Stranger Things and the like but there is just way less of the communal weekly water cooler talk thing)

Interestingly, Stranger Things is quite old now and there hasn't really been much since with anywhere near the same level of cut-through. Even Stranger Things wasn't as big as Game of Thrones. I think that's because streaming services have expanded to the point where they are now too fragmented to be effective in that way. e.g. Nobody at work watches the same shows as anybody else, with maybe one or two exceptions, and there is definitely nothing that everybody watches. OTOH, 10 years ago I was the only person in the office who wasn't all over GoT or Stranger Things. (GoT reminded me way too much of my mother's daytime soap-operas and ST was just the X-Files with annoying children.)

Because it is a lie from start to finish.

As is the vast majority of successful music, unless you thin Kylie Minogue and Madonna are expressing their true feelings in their music.

So they stole tons of intellectual property just like other AI companies. I'm extremely shocked

Scraping is not illegal, things that are scraped are not "stolen", any more than you listening to a song on the radio is stealing. What you do with the data you scrape can be illegal but the act of scraping is not.

If you can listen to a piece of music online, then scraping it to train an AI is perfectly legal. Moreover, it's every bit as legitimate as you or I listening to music on YouTube or TV or radio. I use ad blockers so I never see advertising on YouTube or anywhere else, which invalidates any argument about humans having to put up with ads as the cost of "free" music online.

i agree that there is a bigger agenda at work and people can go on an on about what that is.

I think you are both way over-estimating the reach/influence of something like Suno. If you asked 100 people on the street, I'll guarantee 90 of them would never have heard of Suno and the other 10 might have heard of it but have no real idea what it is. Suno is not going to change the world, it's a niche product that will only ever have a tiny market by global standards.

[dayjob]

Yes, this is a good point, because Streaming & VOD are kind of already causing this on the TV & movie side (of course there are still clear "pop culture phenomena" like Stranger Things and the like but there is just way less of the communal weekly water cooler talk thing)

Interestingly, Stranger Things is quite old now and there hasn't really been much since with anywhere near the same level of cut-through. Even Stranger Things wasn't as big as Game of Thrones. I think that's because streaming services have expanded to the point where they are now too fragmented to be effective in that way. e.g. Nobody at work watches the same shows as anybody else, with maybe one or two exceptions, and there is definitely nothing that everybody watches. OTOH, 10 years ago I was the only person in the office who wasn't all over GoT or Stranger Things. (GoT reminded me way too much of my mother's daytime soap-operas and ST was just the X-Files with annoying children.)

Because it is a lie from start to finish.

As is the vast majority of successful music, unless you thin Kylie Minogue and Madonna are expressing their true feelings in their music.

So they stole tons of intellectual property just like other AI companies. I'm extremely shocked

Scraping is not illegal, things that are scraped are not "stolen", any more than you listening to a song on the radio is stealing. What you do with the data you scrape can be illegal but the act of scraping is not.

If you can listen to a piece of music online, then scraping it to train an AI is perfectly legal. Moreover, it's every bit as legitimate as you or I listening to music on YouTube or TV or radio. I use ad blockers so I never see advertising on YouTube or anywhere else, which invalidates any argument about humans having to put up with ads as the cost of "free" music online.

i agree that there is a bigger agenda at work and people can go on an on about what that is.

I think you are both way over-estimating the reach/influence of something like Suno. If you asked 100 people on the street, I'll guarantee 90 of them would never have heard of Suno and the other 10 might have heard of it but have no real idea what it is. Suno is not going to change the world, it's a niche product that will only ever have a tiny market by global standards.

“Bigger agenda” meaning Ai in general. But it’s interesting that they say dumb sh1t about musicians not wanting to make music because it’s “boring” and they want to have Ai write screenplays and stuff. These tech oligarchs are disconnected from every day people and certainly from artists of any kind. They’d certainly like to put Ai in place of workers and artists so they don’t have to pay them or listen to grievances.

Regarding asking 100 people on the street about suno, well, depending on what country you’re in you could ask 100 people on the street about anything and most of them will be clueless or confused.

[BONES]

Well, that's the thing, isn't it? You can't change the world if your world changing mechanism isn't known in every country, so your argument is just f**king dumb. honestly, did you just type out the first dumb thing that cam into your empty f**king head? Context is everything.

[dayjob]

Well, that's the thing, isn't it? You can't change the world if your world changing mechanism isn't known in every country, so your argument is just f**king dumb. honestly, did you just type out the first dumb thing that cam into your empty f**king head? Context is everything.

always a pleasure interacting with you in any way. i remember why i have you on the ignore list. have fun arguing with strangers. you suck as a person.

also, dude.. this isn’t an argument. this is just people chatting about a topic. hearing other people’s thoughts and ideas about it.. no one is winning or losing an argument here… except when you show up because then.. we all lose.. because you’re just so toxic and cringe.

[VOODOO U]

my comment about them not being very smart is they’re kinda phoning it in at times and leaving it open to exploits… i doubt all of that is on purpose.

Probably not. Overall though I do believe Suno is setup to fail.