AI disqualifies anyone as a musician! It's like playback.

[Hipster Bales]

Just collaborate with a human, imo.

At least half of all humans are only waiting to steal your work. At least three quarters are constantly on drugs, currently with an emphasis on weed and cocaine - as if the pre-drug madness/narcissism/megalomania wasn't through the roof already. And the rest is basically never available because of their day jobs and family issues. The only realistic solution is to become a one-man-army.

Like Aphex Twin or most of deadmau5's music for example.

[Seafire Mk2]

Just collaborate with a human, imo.

At least half of all humans are only waiting to steal your work. At least three quarters are constantly on drugs, currently with an emphasis on weed and cocaine - as if the pre-drug madness/narcissism/megalomania wasn't through the roof already. And the rest is basically never available because of their day jobs and family issues. The only realistic solution is to become a one-man-army.

Like Aphex Twin or most of deadmau5's music for example.

Which part of that statement are you saying applies to them?

[Hipster Bales]

The one-man army one, they don't collaborate with others very often.

[starflakeprj]

I don't know about Aphex Twin, but deadmau5 has done plenty of collaborations.

My favorite one being..

https://youtu.be/h7ArUgxtlJs?list=RDh7ArUgxtlJs

[Hipster Bales]

I meant like consistently and all the time (like David Guetta level, the amount of collabs from him are atrociously high!)

I'm aware about Joel's collabs (they're good), I'm saying that the majority of his music is just him and nobody else (e.g. Strobe, Some Chords, The 16th Hour, etc).

[Seafire Mk2]

Joel? Must be best buddies to be on first name terms

[starflakeprj]

I meant like consistently and all the time (like David Guetta level, the amount of collabs from him are atrociously high!)

I'm aware about Joel's collabs (they're good), I'm saying that the majority of his music is just him and nobody else (e.g. Strobe, Some Chords, The 16th Hour, etc).

Fair enough, I can’t argue with that. Feels like everything Guetta does these days is a collab.

[TheMaestro]

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not.
I can still objectively, to a pretty good degree, know what's good not not.
If you honestly think that good, then good for you.

I didn't make a public value judgment. As I said though it's lame to throw out off-hand criticism without the context of where it's coming from—the person receiving the "feedback" can't weigh it objectively(as is possible).

"I didn't make a public value judgment."
You sure didn't, and I didn't say you did.

"As I said though it's lame to throw out off-hand criticism without the context of where it's coming from—the person receiving the "feedback" can't weigh it objectively(as is possible)."

If one's music can't communicate on its own merit, but relies on the pedigree of the listeners, it doesn't pass how music is actually consumed and judged.

A guest at a resturant doesn't need to know how to make a perfect steak to know that the one they were served is dry and void of all taste.

Requiring the critics background actually introduces more bias, tempting the creator to dismiss the feedback or to take it as the ultimate gospel.

[ghettosynth]

With dance music you don't need to guess. Just go sell it, go play it, do people dance? Get a DJ to play it for you, can you do that? Getting KVR to give you up-votes and tell you that you're great is worth jack shit, nobody cares about the KVR perspective on dance music. Its not far off from your grandmother telling you how nice you look in that cardigan.

[Hipster Bales]

I meant like consistently and all the time (like David Guetta level, the amount of collabs from him are atrociously high!)

I'm aware about Joel's collabs (they're good), I'm saying that the majority of his music is just him and nobody else (e.g. Strobe, Some Chords, The 16th Hour, etc).

Fair enough, I can’t argue with that. Feels like everything Guetta does these days is a collab.

Yea I agree, and some of the collabs feel watered down, uninspired and phoned in.

[morelia]

So, you want a trumpet track for your song. You organise for someone to come in and add the track. They turn up with Suno and a laptop. How do you feel?

[Hipster Bales]

So, you want a trumpet track for your song. You organise for someone to come in and add the track. They turn up with Suno and a laptop. How do you feel?

"get the f**k out of my house with your shit"

No I'm kidding, I'd politely ask them to leave.

[eassae]

Requiring the critics background actually introduces more bias, tempting the creator to dismiss the feedback or to take it as the ultimate gospel.

I didn't say a critic's background was necessary. I'm saying that it would be good, on a music forum, to be able to hear the music of a person who is commenting, criticizing, whatever…another person's work. If you're a total muppet that can't string two notes together, the receiver of criticism may say, "maybe that's not really for me." If you're the best musician in the world, then the person may say, "this is valuable information and I can use it to improve." Obviously this never going to be completely objective, as there's a reciprocal value judgement taking place here, but it's better than, "that's not good" from someone anonymous. That kind of thing is just lazy. Maybe I'm expecting to much because it's a music forum, but…

Anyway, it's usually the person with a reasonable degree of talent that will give more than a off-hand dismissal, they either won't say anything or give some useful advice or critique.

[Hipster Bales]

Exactly, eassae makes a good point on the feedback part.

I recently gave some feedback on a track that I can clearly tell is AI-generated, but I didn't say "it's dogshit just cause it's AI", I gave proper feedback.

Here's the thread I'm talking about: viewtopic.php?p=9273106#p9273106

[eassae]

Enough of the aside, for me anyway—and, generative A.I. in the simulacra of music creation has always, and continues to be totally dumb.

Actually, I did come across someone talking about a use case that seems ok. The person was using it to make backing tracks to improvise too—not for release of course, just to practice their musicianship. I think it was someone on this forum?