Native Instruments Supersaw synth

[CrystalWizard]

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U-He gets criticized for letting Diva get superseded by newer synths, including U-He's Repro. They get criticized for poor UX. They got a ton of criticism for taking 20 years between Zebra versions.

I think every developer gets criticized. Whether or not you think the criticism is justified is a matter of opinion. I'm down on N.I. because they basically stopped development on a lot of instruments that I liked a lot...

The difference is that Zebra 3 finally showed up and it's a significant upgrade from Zebra 2.
Imo! Absynth 6 is not a significant upgrade from Absynth 5 (i really like Absynth and still use V5).
Another difference is that hearing U-he say that they don't have the resources to quickly pump out upgrades is not the same as hearing NI say similar. Perhaps if the suits hadn't taken over NI and alienated and/or fired most of their creative team things would be different? People asked for Zebra 3 and they/we got it. People asked for Reaktor 7 and we got "it's depricated" translated to "not enough DJs will buy it and that is now our target market, tough sh!t for all of our OG supporters who want upgraded versions of our synthesizers."

There have been nothing interesting to me since komplete 12.
The vst market is so saturated now that i don't know what NI could release that is not simillar to what is already out on the market now.

They should focus on keeping their released products updated and maybe improve some of them where it is needed

This^

The only thing i can think of, is a workstation synth. Which they don't have. A la Falcon.
Apart from that; yeah...fm8 update, Reaktor update, battery update.......get those back into the present day

Reaktor is/was a maha workstation synth. It needs an maha upgrade.

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Wait, has anyone actually bought this $99 one-trick pony?
Show of hands, please.

Not me, i couldn't be much less interested in a synth.

[parma]

I imagine for people that like the "HyperPop" sound, this would be a welcome release and for those that don't like that sound, they would just take a pass? Right? It's a pretty targeted product. What's the problem with that?

[jamcat]

$99 is a lot for what is essentially a preset.

[babaji]

This is kind of synth I can only expect on April 1st.

[parma]

$99 is a lot for what is essentially a preset.

Cool. Don't buy it.

[jamcat]

But if you do buy it, you can take it off your taxes as a "charitable giving."

For the few of you who haven't figured it out yet, this low-effort, high-pricetag plugin is a last gasp cash grab. They're trying desperately to get some quick positive cashflow with minimal investment.

So if you're feeling charitable, you can contribute $99 to the NI bailout fund. And you get this lovely decorative gift bag with your generous donation.

[machinesworking]

$99 is a lot for what is essentially a preset.

These types of specialty synths from NI are always ways of getting us to buy a version of Komplete upgrade. Seriously from Razor to Super 8 or whatever it was called, personally I would rather this than another useless to me PLAY ROMpler?

This IMO is no different than the Memorymoog emulation from Arturia, most of us aren't rushing out to buy it for $99, but couple it with a few more odd little synths and we might upgrade our bundle for $150-199. Does anyone buy separate synths from either of these companies?

[jamcat]

$99 is a lot for what is essentially a preset.

Cool. Don't buy it.

Out of curiosity, did you buy it?
I'm still trying to find one person who has actually bought it... and will admit to it without reservation or embarrassment.

[parma]

$99 is a lot for what is essentially a preset.

Cool. Don't buy it.

Out of curiosity, did you buy it?
I'm still trying to find one person who has actually bought it... and will admit to it without reservation or embarrassment.

I haven't. But I'm actually kind of interested after watching the walkthrough vid. Sonically it sounds more varied and interesting than I would have thought. At $100 I'd really like a demo though. If I change my mind, you'll be the first to know!

[parma]

It sounds very "of the time". I can hear tones in there that wouldn't be out of place on a Flying Lotus track (just to give an example of one artist you might not think of when seeing this synth).

[parma]

$99 is a lot for what is essentially a preset.

These types of specialty synths from NI are always ways of getting us to buy a version of Komplete upgrade. Seriously from Razor to Super 8 or whatever it was called, personally I would rather this than another useless to me PLAY ROMpler?

This IMO is no different than the Memorymoog emulation from Arturia, most of us aren't rushing out to buy it for $99, but couple it with a few more odd little synths and we might upgrade our bundle for $150-199. Does anyone buy separate synths from either of these companies?

Good point. I bought the Absynth 6 update because I got caught up in the hype when I probably would have been better off holding out for the next Komplete upgrade. I don't know what else was in the Komplete upgrade though. If it was a bunch of "player" Kontakt things and "expansions" I guess I wouldn't have been terribly interested.

[GeneralQ]

- I really like that NI is making a synth again after decades of just making lame Kontakt libraries.

- lost opportunity to give massiveX an update to have more unison voices and per oscillator unison

- it's quite redundant because almost any modern synth can do what this does.

- price is a bit steep for what it does

[zerocrossing]

For a long time, Arturia let companies like U-He push the envelope of emulation quality to the next level and did nothing. They got slammed because their releases were lackluster. Cherry is similar, though more uneven. I think their biggest issue is that their emulations only emulate the feature set of a synthesizer, and not really the character.

U-He gets criticized for letting Diva get superseded by newer synths, including U-He's Repro. They get criticized for poor UX. They got a ton of criticism for taking 20 years between Zebra versions.

I think every developer gets criticized. Whether or not you think the criticism is justified is a matter of opinion. I'm down on N.I. because they basically stopped development on a lot of instruments that I liked a lot. I got excited that they started offering MIDI 2 controllers with polyphonic aftertouch, but then they did zero to support those features in their software offerings. It wouldn't surprise me if this new synth didn't support them either.

U-He get teased about Zebra 3 taking over a decade to come out, but they never got the flack that NI gets for their technical debt on Reaktor etc. The same thing that prevented Filterscape from being useful for over 10 years NI is completely skewered for. That's 100% due to Urs being an actual presence here and gently reminding people that it's not some walk in the park to completely redesign the GUI etc. Evil Dragon whether he wants to or not became the liaison between NI and forums like this, but he never gains the traction that Urs did talking about the issue. For instance he mentioned that NI had developed a new GUI front end (Komplete based) that would be eventually used to solve the issue of Reaktors absolute mess of a GUI. So only when you are building a plugin in Reaktor would you deal with a Windows 95 blurry GUI etc. Did nothing at all that he mentioned they were working on it.

Evil Dragon has alluded to many things, over the years, that have never come to pass. When I made a comment that it was odd they released a controller with polyphonic aftertouch, and then didn't add that function to any of their software, he did make an oblique comment of how I was going to get a surprise. That interaction happened years ago. I don't think Evil Dragon has the inside scoop that he likes to think he has, even if he does have a bit of a window into the goings on there.

NI have made all kinds of mistakes over the years, in some ways I think they earned their near demise, I owned Kore and Rig Kontrol, now dead with modern OS's and software, I gave up on Maschine because it still sucks at odd time signatures, there are a half dozen or more plugins they tossed to the wayside. The first version of Kontrol Mk1 hardware is no longer supported. All that said with the Kontrol Mk3 they learned from their mistakes and it's a great controller. They've almost died here, and I still have 20 odd Kontakt dependent libraries I love and use all the time. Abysnth 6 is great, was happy as hell to see it get some love, and ED mentioned that Reaktor was in the works to get a user facing skin to keep it viable without breaking their bank even further.

I'm not apologizing for NI, but two things can be true. They've abandoned a lot of their most loyal customers in exchange for becoming a company of mostly Kontakt and new expansion packs. They also have, what I consider, one of the best sounding wavetable synthesizers available, and that includes hardware. Kontakt is still the format of choice for sample based instruments. Reaktor, warts and all, is still an amazing bit of software. No other amp simulation and effects processor has the flexibility of Guitar Rig.

There's a groupthink noted and processed human love of "righteous" vengeance that I've never completely understood. I think that's at play here with this whole pile on that happens when a company doesn't respond in the way the hive mind thinks.

Yeah, I see that too. I try to be as fair as I can, but it's inevitable that the U-He fanboys are going to launch a full on attack at the slightest whiff of criticism. Some people are going to miss out on Massive X or Absynth 6 because they're still angry about KORE. That's people. Not much you can do.

Anyway, back on topic, I watched the walk-through and I can't see a single reason to buy this, especially at that price. Aren't we all swimming in great super-saw synths, at this point? I just don't see anything interesting about it, so why develop it?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

- price is a bit steep for what it does

I think if it had two presets rather than just the one then it might justify the price tag.

[exmatproton]

Reaktor is/was a maha workstation synth. It needs an maha upgrade.

what does maha mean?