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VariKusBrainZ wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 1:32 pm Low audio quality, artifacts and generates loops poorer than a human can. Fine if you enjoy low bit depth creativity over high definition man made ideas
Completly agree with you about low quality and artifacts. I wonder what creative minds will make with what is currently a flaw
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wagtunes wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 1:39 pm Pretty cool. I actually like the lo-fi sound. I'll see what I can come up with.
Nice! Can't wait to listen to what you are going to release with 😊
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Question: How do you change the key signature these loops play in? Can you even do that?

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wagtunes wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 5:33 pm Question: How do you change the key signature these loops play in? Can you even do that?
Arf when they are already generated you can't, I already tried to add a pitch shifter but I had some latency and some clicks. Then, if you want to regenerate a sound with the same prompt, use the dropdown menu on the right, at the right of the master volume and update the key. If you update pitch knob it updates the speed too.
But even with the same prompt you will not have the same generation because I don't give access to the seed. Would that be something you would like to have access? With diffusion models as Stable Audio 3 (or Stable diffusion models for example) with the same prompt and the same seed (a random big number) you have the same result.
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Innermost wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 5:47 pm
wagtunes wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 5:33 pm Question: How do you change the key signature these loops play in? Can you even do that?
Arf when they are already generated you can't, I already tried to add a pitch shifter but I had some latency and some clicks. Then, if you want to regenerate a sound with the same prompt, use the dropdown menu on the right, at the right of the master volume and update the key. If you update pitch knob it updates the speed too.
But even with the same prompt you will not have the same generation because I don't give access to the seed. Would that be something you would like to have access? With diffusion models as Stable Audio 3 (or Stable diffusion models for example) with the same prompt and the same seed (a random big number) you have the same result.
What I would like to be able to do is say "I want these loops to play in C major". Right now it seems random. Is it?

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wagtunes wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 6:21 pm What I would like to be able to do is say "I want these loops to play in C major". Right now it seems random. Is it?
Ah ok, then just update the key on the dropdown menu on the right then generate and normaly that's it. But keep in mind that as it's AI it will not always be perfect.
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Innermost wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 6:25 pm
wagtunes wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 6:21 pm What I would like to be able to do is say "I want these loops to play in C major". Right now it seems random. Is it?
Ah ok, then just update the key on the dropdown menu on the right then generate and normaly that's it. But keep in mind that as it's AI it will not always be perfect.
Wouldn't it be better to ask it to transpose loops by half or full steps than by key and mode?
That should help in keeping any accidentals intact rather than shifting them into a specific mode IMO.

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Yep totally agree. I still have the pitch shifter code, I could try to redevelop that feature but I had some artefacts, I wasn't happy with. Let me think about that. I have to think about how to implement that technicaly and on the UI.
How would you see that on your side?
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Maybe limit it to five half steps up and six half steps down. ICBWH, but I tend to think of generalized artefacts occuring more in higher registers.

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BBFG# wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 11:33 pm Maybe limit it to five half steps up and six half steps down. ICBWH, but I tend to think of generalized artefacts occuring more in higher registers.
Ok. I'll try to implement that again then. Hope it will work correctly.
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I've started working on the song. It's called "Do The Neural"

I hope to have it finished by tomorrow or Monday the latest.

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wagtunes wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 2:03 am I've started working on the song. It's called "Do The Neural"

I hope to have it finished by tomorrow or Monday the latest.
Nice!!!!!!!!
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Innermost wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:19 am
wagtunes wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 2:03 am I've started working on the song. It's called "Do The Neural"

I hope to have it finished by tomorrow or Monday the latest.
Nice!!!!!!!!
I have to be honest with you. This has not been easy. Not because the thing is difficult to use. In fact, I find it quite simple after getting the nag of it. The problem is, it's very unstable on my system. It crashes Cubase constantly. So I have to keep reloading and saving in different files because the file I'm working in becomes corrupted.

I'm not going to blame the instrument itself. It could very well be my system. All I know is this isn't something I want to do on a regular basis because it's just too much work. Maybe after future updates things will get a little more smooth. But until then, after I finish this song, I'm probably going to put this aside for a while. Please keep me informed of any updates, The crashes aside, this thing is a lot of fun to play with, though I do have to get better at prompt writing.

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Understood. Do you have any crash report that cubase could give you and that you could show me?
I would really like to fix it, in order to maximize while minimizing frustration.
Are you on windows or macos? Don't remember if we already spoke about that. I am going to find a cubase Version somewhere and try to crash it. Could you please tell me what kind of action on the VST you did made crash the VST? I ask myself if that could be an Out Of Memory problem. As model is Always loaded in RAM, I wonder if that could leads to some memory issues.
Have you any os logs where you could verify that hypothesis?
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