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TechHaus wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:01 pm Voodoo u care to review this track? Maestro?
I'd rather spend my time on something useful and more fun than that. Like gargling thumb tacks, record it, call it music, and say a lot of people enjoy it. Or moderate a Reason forum while I step on Lego while I develop a double-sided ulcer and a permanent blinding headache.
But I don't have time for that right now, my AI tells me.
There are two kinds of people in the world. And you're not one of them.

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wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:25 pm
Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:08 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 3:48 pm Okay, quiz time. AI or not?

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural
Dunno, but it's bloody awful
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Lots of people like it. But that's irrelevant.

If it's not AI, it only goes to prove that people can make songs entirely on their own and those songs can be perceived, in general, as, as you say, bloody awful.

Which proves my point. It's not the tool. It's the person using it.

But by all means, let's hear some of YOUR music that's not bloody awful. Because I want to know what "good" music sounds like.
I'm sure you know what 'good' music sounds like. Everyone does.

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Hipster Bales wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 10:31 pm Just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to be an a-hole.

Having an opinion is fine, but using it to insult people is not smart at all.

I'm not gonna change my sound or quit making music just to impress others, I'm sorry.
Also, having a similar sound palette is called cohesion.

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Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:02 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:25 pm
Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:08 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 3:48 pm Okay, quiz time. AI or not?

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural
Dunno, but it's bloody awful
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Lots of people like it. But that's irrelevant.

If it's not AI, it only goes to prove that people can make songs entirely on their own and those songs can be perceived, in general, as, as you say, bloody awful.

Which proves my point. It's not the tool. It's the person using it.

But by all means, let's hear some of YOUR music that's not bloody awful. Because I want to know what "good" music sounds like.
I'm sure you know what 'good' music sounds like. Everyone does.
I'll take that as a no, you don't have any good music of yours to share. Just what I figured. Everyone is a critic. But a lot of critics can't do shit.

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wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:43 pm
Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:02 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:25 pm
Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:08 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 3:48 pm Okay, quiz time. AI or not?

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural
Dunno, but it's bloody awful
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Lots of people like it. But that's irrelevant.

If it's not AI, it only goes to prove that people can make songs entirely on their own and those songs can be perceived, in general, as, as you say, bloody awful.

Which proves my point. It's not the tool. It's the person using it.

But by all means, let's hear some of YOUR music that's not bloody awful. Because I want to know what "good" music sounds like.
I'm sure you know what 'good' music sounds like. Everyone does.
I'll take that as a no, you don't have any good music of yours to share. Just what I figured. Everyone is a critic. But a lot of critics can't do shit.
Classic response. If you can't take criticism, don't put your music up.

You basically want everyone who says something negative about your 'music' to put theirs up so you can say the same. Tit for tat. Childish.

You're old enough to know better.

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100% artificial AND bloody awful:

Don’t Do the Neural
https://www.flowmusic.app/song/b8fc0a7b ... 519757ef7c

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Much better!
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"Hell is other People" J.P.Sartre
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guitarzan wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:57 pm 100% artificial AND bloody awful:

Don’t Do the Neural
https://www.flowmusic.app/song/b8fc0a7b ... 519757ef7c
:hyper:

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I see you lot are catching on.

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Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:50 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:43 pm
Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:02 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:25 pm
Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:08 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 3:48 pm Okay, quiz time. AI or not?

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/do-the-neural
Dunno, but it's bloody awful
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Lots of people like it. But that's irrelevant.

If it's not AI, it only goes to prove that people can make songs entirely on their own and those songs can be perceived, in general, as, as you say, bloody awful.

Which proves my point. It's not the tool. It's the person using it.

But by all means, let's hear some of YOUR music that's not bloody awful. Because I want to know what "good" music sounds like.
I'm sure you know what 'good' music sounds like. Everyone does.
I'll take that as a no, you don't have any good music of yours to share. Just what I figured. Everyone is a critic. But a lot of critics can't do shit.
Classic response. If you can't take criticism, don't put your music up.

You basically want everyone who says something negative about your 'music' to put theirs up so you can say the same. Tit for tat. Childish.

You're old enough to know better.
Not at all. If I listen to your music and I think it's good, I'll tell you it's good. I don't hold the fact that I don't like you as a person against you when listening to your music. I can be very objective that way. There are plenty of artists out there I don't like personally whose music I love. A perfect example is Steven Tyler. Another one is Ozzie Osborne. Don't like them as people but love their music. Lou Reed's another one.

But hey, if you don't want to share your music I'm not gonna twist your arm. At least I put my music out there. I have a thread in Music Cafe that's hundreds of pages. I have no problem with criticism if it's constructive, like "The vocals are weak" or "The rhythm is off". But "It's crap" is not constructive criticism. It's just being a lazy SOB.

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guitarzan wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 7:57 pm 100% artificial AND bloody awful:

Don’t Do the Neural
https://www.flowmusic.app/song/b8fc0a7b ... 519757ef7c
I actually think that's pretty cool. Thanks for sharing.

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TechHaus wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 6:01 pm Voodoo u care to review this track? Maestro?
What track? I'm not seeing any links

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wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 8:27 pm I don't hold the fact that I don't like you as a person against you when listening to your music.
You already did by saying that
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 8:27 pm". But "It's crap" is not constructive criticism. It's just being a lazy SOB.
An opinion doesn't have to be constructive, it just history be honest.

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Seafire Mk2 wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 8:56 pm
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 8:27 pm I don't hold the fact that I don't like you as a person against you when listening to your music.
You already did by saying that
wagtunes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 8:27 pm". But "It's crap" is not constructive criticism. It's just being a lazy SOB.
An opinion doesn't have to be constructive, it just history be honest.
Well, I tried. So here's some honesty. You're an ass.

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