SUNO is killer!

[wagtunes]

Nope, it will choke on all of that, but, just setup a free account and try it. You'll get the hang of what you can and can't do with it.

So in other words it's very limited.

Okay, I'll give it a shot. When you say choke do you literally mean it will crash?

[ghettosynth]

No, I mean that it will first limit your text to 1000 characters (IIRC) in the style, but even at that, it's too much and it just won't follow your instructions. My advice to start. Give it some short lyrics. Give it a style, e.g., "Country", then select male/femail. Turn weirdness to zero and style all the way up. Generate and listen to both songs. Now, add something to the style, or change thee style completely, or combine styles. Go from there.

[wagtunes]

No, I mean that it will first limit your text to 1000 characters (IIRC) in the style, but even at that, it's too much and it just won't follow your instructions. My advice to start. Give it some short lyrics. Give it a style, e.g., "Country", then select male/femail. Turn weirdness to zero and style all the way up. Generate and listen to both songs. Now, add something to the style, or change thee style completely, or combine styles. Go from there.

Gotcha. I'm going to take a song I've already done and see what it comes up with.

[guitarzan]

I'm going to take a song I've already done and see what it comes up with.

You can just upload an mp3 of a rough draft version of your tune to Suno and have it do covers of it based on prompts, add or change lyrics, etc. That’s the only real way to steer the way you want it to structure the tune from the beginning. It’s so much better at analyzing audio than Lyria (Google Flow Music). I still prefer Lyria’s performances and voicing though, but the inability to ‘hear’ makes it somewhat limited.

[wagtunes]

So this is what Suno came up with after uploading my lyrics.

https://suno.com/s/B60c72lSScBuR4ns

Okay, here are my thoughts and feelings.

1. The song is well performed but very generic to the point of "Oh my God, I've heard this song a million times before."

2. Even though I wrote the lyrics and, to a degree, enjoyed listening to it, I got almost no self satisfaction out of this creation.

The only fun I can see getting out of this is hearing what it comes up with. But that will wear thin very quickly.

I just can't see spending any money on this service. But to each his own I guess.

[ghettosynth]

Yes, I thought that you were interested in using it for stems and to remix your own work, as suggested above? If you're not actually interested in using it in a casual way for new outlets, and, you're not interested in understanding the relationship between prompting and the output, and, you're not interested in using it to remix your own work and download and process the stems, then I'm not sure what you would get out of it.

The value, for you, is really in the quality of the vocals. Which, no matter what you think of them, they are vastly better than what you are able to produce with whatever tools you're using.

...A few minutes later...parody that wouldn't be completed without this process, nobody cares enough...

[wagtunes]

Yes, I thought that you were interested in using it for stems and to remix your own work, as suggested above? If you're not actually interested in using it in a casual way for new outlets, and, you're not interested in understanding the relationship between prompting and the output, and, you're not interested in using it to remix your own work and download and process the stems, then I'm not sure what you would get out of it.

The value, for you, is really in the quality of the vocals. Which, no matter what you think of them, they are vastly better than what you are able to produce with whatever tools you're using.

...A few minutes later...parody that wouldn't be completed without this process, nobody cares enough...

Well I wasn't presented with any of those options. I was given a place to put lyrics, and a description of the song. That's it. I see nowhere where I can download anything. All I've been given is a link to the song.

[ghettosynth]

Yes, the other options are only available on a paid account.

[wagtunes]

Yes, the other options are only available on a paid account.

Okay, here's what I want to do. Can I do this with a paid account?

I want to upload an audio of my song completed. I want Suno to duplicate the song's structure and vocal melody exactly and replace my arrangement and vocals with its own vocals and arrangement. But I want everything else the same.

Can Suno do that?

[TechHaus]

Resist, Wag! People hate ai music so much that angine de poitrine got like 40 million views because it felt so refreshing and anti-ai.

[Maccaroni]

Quite rightly so.

A large part of what makes music so breathtaking is the human warmth behind it, the human creativity. Of course, a computer can now write new songs "by" Nirvana, the Sex Pistols or the (overrated) Beatles for you. But is it really the same when a computer rants about the British monarchy or wallows in lovesickness? It's sterile, it's heartless, it's completely uninteresting.

Admittedly, one can also argue about how much heart goes into contemporary mass-produced music (radio pop).

I find it very, very regrettable that people are using the possibilities of artificial intelligence, which has developed quite a bit since the 1960s, to automate away creativity first, of all things. No robot cleans my windows, cares for our elderly or goes shopping for me. But they can paint and make music. And people want it that way. That says a lot about our times.

[Munin]

I find it very, very regrettable that people are using the possibilities of artificial intelligence, which has developed quite a bit since the 1960s, to automate away creativity first, of all things. No robot cleans my windows, cares for our elderly or goes shopping for me. But they can paint and make music. And people want it that way.

No, not really because people want it that way. The reason these things got automated first is simply because over the past decade we stumbled into mathematical algorithms that are reasonably generalizable across several of these creative domains, e.g. diffusion for image and audio generation and autoregressive approaches for text, and because we happen to have vast, vast amounts of easily accessible training data for them.

Robotics remains, for the purposes you described a much harder problem to solve, not least because of the capital required and because there is much less data to train on (which is being rectified currently). That is going to take another 10 to 20 years.

Look into Moravec's paradox.

[Maccaroni]

Look into Moravec's paradox.

Ha! I have been doing computer stuff for 30 years now, but I have never seen this before. Thank you, good addition to my knowledge collection.

[ghettosynth]

Resist, Wag! People hate ai music so much that angine de poitrine got like 40 million views because it felt so refreshing and anti-ai.

It's not AI that's driving the contrast. You're inventing that in your mind. It's the refined production and sameness of today's pop, and frankly, the punk attitude. It's just your regularly scheduled shift in music tastes. The amount of AI music that is being regularly consumed as pop is trivial.