So you can't answer the question?ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:29 pm You don't understand statistics or continuous spaces. If you want to sound smart, take a math class.
AI disqualifies anyone as a musician! It's like playback.
- KVRAF
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When the data is corrupt in the Desert of the Real, Beyond the Last Thought, where intuition reigns, is the solace that will embolden and strengthen the soul, giving hope once more to this age of failing technique. eassae.com
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- KVRAF
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I can, I don't want to. AI can help you understand that if you are really interested. Your thoughts are not earning my time. I'm responding here because I want to make that point. You want to characterize, but your language tells me that you've never in your life proved that the square root of two is irrational. Start there, the journey won't be short.eassae wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:31 pmSo you can't answer the question?ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:29 pm You don't understand statistics or continuous spaces. If you want to sound smart, take a math class.
I think those of you who aren't able to get much out of AI are witnessing, in real time, how its benefits are unequally spread. Again, I've already given away the first entree into a better understanding, read Cory Doctorow's latest book. The second step is realizing how your ego is getting in the way of your understanding, but I can't help you with that, you'll have to do that work on your own.
- KVRAF
- 1989 posts since 18 May, 2021
Yeah…ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:39 pmI can, I don't want to. AI can help you understand that if you are really interested. Your thoughts are not earning my time. I'm responding here because I want to make that point. You want to characterize, but your language tells me that you've never in your life proved that the square root of two is irrational. Start there, the journey won't be short.eassae wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:31 pmSo you can't answer the question?ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:29 pm You don't understand statistics or continuous spaces. If you want to sound smart, take a math class.
I think those of you who aren't able to get much out of AI are witnessing, in real time, how its benefits are unequally spread. Again, I've already given away the first entree into a better understanding, read Cory Doctorow's latest book. The second step is realizing how your ego is getting in the way of your understanding, but I can't help you with that, you'll have to do that work on your own.

But, thanks for the book recommendation all the same. I'm not being sarcastic here.
When the data is corrupt in the Desert of the Real, Beyond the Last Thought, where intuition reigns, is the solace that will embolden and strengthen the soul, giving hope once more to this age of failing technique. eassae.com
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- KVRAF
- 16901 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
You're welcome, but, you haven't, have you? Yet, you are annoyed that you don't understand AI at a deeper level. You can virtually roll your eyes all you want, but it's not going to change your state of understanding.eassae wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:43 pmYeah…ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:39 pmI can, I don't want to. AI can help you understand that if you are really interested. Your thoughts are not earning my time. I'm responding here because I want to make that point. You want to characterize, but your language tells me that you've never in your life proved that the square root of two is irrational. Start there, the journey won't be short.eassae wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:31 pmSo you can't answer the question?ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:29 pm You don't understand statistics or continuous spaces. If you want to sound smart, take a math class.
I think those of you who aren't able to get much out of AI are witnessing, in real time, how its benefits are unequally spread. Again, I've already given away the first entree into a better understanding, read Cory Doctorow's latest book. The second step is realizing how your ego is getting in the way of your understanding, but I can't help you with that, you'll have to do that work on your own.
But, thanks for the book recommendation all the same. I'm not being sarcastic here.
- KVRAF
- 23158 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
FWIW, I can prove the square root of 2 is irrational. I was taught how to do it in my 4th year of high school by my advanced math teacher Ed Yukecko. He was a great guy and I miss him.
- KVRAF
- 1989 posts since 18 May, 2021
Is this the one you're talking about? https://www.amazon.com/Reverse-Centaurs ... B0GBZFWCTTghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:52 pmYou're welcome, but, you haven't, have you? Yet, you are annoyed that you don't understand AI at a deeper level. You can virtually roll your eyes all you want, but it's not going to change your state of understanding.eassae wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:43 pmYeah…ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:39 pmI can, I don't want to. AI can help you understand that if you are really interested. Your thoughts are not earning my time. I'm responding here because I want to make that point. You want to characterize, but your language tells me that you've never in your life proved that the square root of two is irrational. Start there, the journey won't be short.eassae wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:31 pmSo you can't answer the question?ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:29 pm You don't understand statistics or continuous spaces. If you want to sound smart, take a math class.
I think those of you who aren't able to get much out of AI are witnessing, in real time, how its benefits are unequally spread. Again, I've already given away the first entree into a better understanding, read Cory Doctorow's latest book. The second step is realizing how your ego is getting in the way of your understanding, but I can't help you with that, you'll have to do that work on your own.
But, thanks for the book recommendation all the same. I'm not being sarcastic here.
When the data is corrupt in the Desert of the Real, Beyond the Last Thought, where intuition reigns, is the solace that will embolden and strengthen the soul, giving hope once more to this age of failing technique. eassae.com
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- KVRAF
- 16901 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Yes, it's a quick read.eassae wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:58 pm Is this the one you're talking about? https://www.amazon.com/Reverse-Centaurs ... B0GBZFWCTT
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- KVRAF
- 16901 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
It's a common early task in "intro to proofs", which is the class that in many math programs separates lower division from upper division. It's very accessible, but it's not commonly taught in high school, especially today. It's a bit like knowing how to swap two registers without using intermediate storage, that is, it's a predictor that you studied the topic formally, but obviously, it doesn't guarantee that.wagtunes wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:55 pm FWIW, I can prove the square root of 2 is irrational. I was taught how to do it in my 4th year of high school by my advanced math teacher Ed Yukecko. He was a great guy and I miss him.
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- 111341 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
ill take your potty mouth and raise you...ghettosynth wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 9:26 amIndeed!
Or, if it's time for a little break, enjoy the potty break mix!
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- KVRAF
- 16901 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
That's some creative swearing. The haircut needs a little help. That is just top notch repurposed found sound.
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- KVRer
- 25 posts since 23 Jul, 2026
Cory Doctorow also has a strong stance about AI companies, making money by leeching from real humans' creativity. Just saying.ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:39 pm Again, I've already given away the first entree into a better understanding, read Cory Doctorow's latest book.
if "ai work" is work, having dinner in a restaurant is cooking
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- KVRAF
- 16901 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
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- KVRAF
- 16901 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I agree with him. Try to keep up. That said, it's clear that you haven't read the book. Doctorow argues that training should generally remain permitted, while infringing memorization and outputs should remain actionable. Artists’ economic problems should be addressed through labor power, competition policy, and sectoral bargaining rather than another transferable copyright right. He leaves collective licensing open as a narrower mechanism but rejects individual permission as the general solution.Maccaroni wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 10:11 pmCory Doctorow also has a strong stance about AI companies, making money by leeching from real humans' creativity. Just saying.ghettosynth wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 7:39 pm Again, I've already given away the first entree into a better understanding, read Cory Doctorow's latest book.
In fact, the section on sectoral bargaining is powerful and you should read the book so that you can be functional as an advocate instead of just being a parrot.
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- KVRer
- 25 posts since 23 Jul, 2026
You haven't read his blog. And I did read the book months ago.
if "ai work" is work, having dinner in a restaurant is cooking
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- KVRAF
- 16901 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I didn't argue that his blog was a good framing. I am not engaging in hagiography. His book is a good entree into having a valid perspective on AI. It's not about "him", it's about the content of his book. If you want to link an article, then do that.Maccaroni wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2026 10:31 pmYou haven't read his blog. And I did read the book months ago.
