SUNO is killer!

[Freaqpeak]

Tried two years ago and now again today.

STILL Suno can only produce very narrow types within every major genre. Extremely stereotypical. Funny, yes. Usable for anything else than commercials or meme content? No.
It's like asking someone who can't hear the difference between anything within a genre and think it sounds all the same to them. To the point that it's very embarrassing that it even tries without saying that it CAN'T achieve anything close to credible in what you prompt. Add to that that audio quality is painfully bad.

And still, everything it produces sounds like it has constant phase issues in and out. Just like two years ago...
Sounds like 96 kbps mp3 files that has been re-encoded three times with HP and LP filters removing all subs and tops.

I wonder who actually pays money to use that shit.

[ghettosynth]

I wonder who actually pays money to use that shit.

About two million users in the target demographic, which is not really musicians. I can see why perpetually broke musicians who think rent to own for plugins is a good thing might believe that the subscription cost is a barrier, but I suspect that for most customers, it's closer to buying a pizza.

Suno is a small company compared to the text modeling industry. Their series D just raised $400M in June, which is a drop in the bucket compared to the big AI players whose latest rounds have been into the tens to many tens of billions. So, the technology is not going to grow as fast and those numbers are going to remain smaller because there's not really any enterprise use case for this kind of product. That's not to say that there aren't commercial use cases, but nobody is going to be ponying up for big annual contracts for their entire firm.

There are significant challenges to building what musicians want, and there's a question about whether they want that at all? Right, because, look at KVR? Why would anyone want to build an AI product for you lot? That's like trying to sell Christmas decorations to Scrooge.

So while all of the things that you complain about are both true, but also improving over time, what is going to motivate them is what their actual customers want. It's not you, it's your well off neighbor's kids who want to make memes for fun. It's people who were never going to open Ableton who's lives get a little better because they expressed some thoughts and it came out in a song.

It's not hard to understand the customers. You can go and listen to what people share. You can see how they share their thoughts and perspectives expressed in the lyrics. You don't have to respect their choice, but the limitations are yours if you can't see that they don't give a f**k about what you think. The same people who bought Casio keyboards and shitty DJ controllers are buying Suno.

[Maccaroni]

About two million users in the target demographic, which is not really musicians.

People who are not really musicians should be legally banned from publishing things that vaguely resemble music.

[ghettosynth]

About two million users in the target demographic, which is not really musicians.

People who are not really musicians should be legally banned from publishing things that vaguely resemble music.

That would include the vast majority of KVR. But, you enjoy your own private little version of fascism.

[Maccaroni]

The vast majority of KVR seems to embrace AI and should be legally banned from touching a computer ever again. YMMV, of course (so, not fascist).

[ghettosynth]

The vast majority of KVR seems to embrace AI and should be legally banned from touching a computer ever again. YMMV, of course (so, not fascist).

You need to send that back to joke school.

[Maccaroni]

No.

[Munin]

And still, everything it produces sounds like it has constant phase issues in and out. Just like two years ago...
Sounds like 96 kbps mp3 files that has been re-encoded three times with HP and LP filters removing all subs and tops.

I wonder who actually pays money to use that shit.

Well that is a limitation of the architecture, but at the same time audio-to-MIDI models are also getting better and better, so at some point you will just be able to prompt a bunch of stuff on Suno for quick ideation, then reconstruct the parts you like with 'real' workflows. And thus, the lines will simply get increasingly blurry between what is considered "artisan real song gruelingly recorded by hand in over 200 hours in a DAW" and "I just typed in this cool prompt bro". But then that has always been the case, with loops and all.

[TechHaus]

The D'Addario controversy is amusing.

They posted an ai song as an ad for their strings. Got called out. Deleted comments.

Then posted a video of the session that they claimed the audio was from, but it is definitely not the same audio from the original ad.

Major dramaz.

[TechHaus]

Also respect to any content creator that turns down Suno ad money. They are really slangin' that cash around. Basically anyone you see endorsing them is paid.

[VOODOO U]

BTW Im a programmer, and a musician, and I think I'm a human.

I'll keep you in my prayers until you have that sorted out.

But hey, why use humans to generate LLM music when you could write AI agents doing the work, including uploading. No need to use humans for that, more optimized anyway, and saves money.

Great point. Just goes to show you human creativity isn't that important. We now have A.I. to entertain organic human emoticons while they dope up.

Also, logically your statement does not make sense, what's the logical connection between programmers and non-humans? .

You're an idiot.

[ghettosynth]

The D'Addario controversy is amusing.

They posted an ai song as an ad for their strings. Got called out. Deleted comments.

Then posted a video of the session that they claimed the audio was from, but it is definitely not the same audio from the original ad.

Major dramaz.

If true, this doesn't help anyone. It's why when I post a joke here, or, I use AI in my daily work, I'm absolutely transparent about AI use. You have to be able to say that AI improves a certain aspect of what you're doing and allow the audience/customer to make their own judgement with respect to what's in their purview. For my joke songs, you're free to ignore because you don't like AI, nobody will care. For my work, you're free to consume the product from someone else. For those that think my joke songs have no value and don't meet that bar, note that they are posted within minutes of the source. That is the value, that is the point of this. Music and images can be used to communicate in new ways that in the past nobody would have bothered because the scarcity of the artifact, driven by the cost of production, would limit it. Nobody is going to record a song in a studio, or even turn on their DAW to respond to a forum post. If you think that doesn't have a place in society, then I challenge you to think about paperbacks, then magazines, then newspapers, then zines. All are about communication on some scale that attempts to add something to the communities that they serve.

[ksandvik]

I think it will be more and more common to state somewhere officially that no AI was used for music for an artist/producer, as the consumers are indeed turning against this computer-massproduced slop.

[ghettosynth]

I think it will be more and more common to state somewhere officially that no AI was used for music for an artist/producer, as the consumers are indeed turning against this computer-massproduced slop.

The moment is temporary. This too shall pass. This is a common occurrence in the identity-threatened phase of new technology. People were paranoid that ICE vehicles were going to explode and that they were going to die from dangerous AC electricity. The technology will get better, hobbies will shift, people will see utility once their identity feels less threatened. The difference will blur, and people will start to not notice. Many don't now, or don't care if they do.

Will you be able to ever advertise guitar strings with AI? Probably not, Should you? Probably not.

Certification will never work. Some people will want more live shows, that's a good thing, but not for many of today's internet "musicians." It won't bother me, it might get me playing out again.

But, make no mistake about it, people will use AI to create music. This moment will seem quaint.