Fall Program on BBC4

[Concretefx]

Just watching the Fall programme on BBC4 ,Mark E Smith is a genius , even though he can't sing or dance and now looks worrying similar to Ivy Tilsley (after the bad face lift)

Cheers

Jon : COFX

The North will rise again (not in 10,000 years)

[Barbed Wire Kiss]

Yeah, good programme. I didn't realise I'd forgotten so many great Fall songs. And what was the song they were playing in the video clip in New York when the drummer attacked Mark E? I know that bassline, but bugger can I get the song

It was also (as always) great to see, and hear, John Peel. But then he and Mark E were always indelibly linked.

Garry

[Bunnyboy]

Was kinda good

Excellent music (natch), great to see Mark E is in fine form still (even if he looks 10,000 years old), and fun talking heads.

But, nothing about the lyrics at all, nothing about the myriad styles of music they played, and how much Marc Riley??

Check this interview with Mr Smith from the Observer taking the piss out of the doc

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/screen/s ... 24,00.html

[Wicker Man]

I have to admit I know nothing of The Fall...I know plenty of John Peel...but nothing of his favourite band.

Did Mark E Smith and J Peel have any kind of relationship in respect of them knowing each other or did they just know OF each other ?

Just to remember a couple of things about John Peel...10 o'clock in the evening as a youngster...it was the program to die for and I remember Simple Minds, Tubeway Army, The Stranglers and all sorts of wierd and wonderful music he tickled me with.

And then, many years later, while trying to get first born, second born and third born asleep at night or early morning...at 3am in the morning, John Peel fills the World Service airways as fresh as ever with all sorts of wierd and wonderful. The kids may never know but that's what I call influential.

[Barbed Wire Kiss]

But, nothing about the lyrics at all, nothing about the myriad styles of music they played,

Well there a little about the lyrics, but you're right about nothing about his many influences and the stuff that came from it. I would have liked a bit about his links to Pete Waterman and the PWL studio

[Bunnyboy]

They were good mates IIRC.

(The Fall did 24 Peel Sessions, so even if it was only then, John and Mark met 24 times)

I think, and I may be wrong, the Fall played at Peel's 50th birthday do

[Bunnyboy]

Well there a little about the lyrics, but you're right about nothing about his many influences and the stuff that came from it. I would have liked a bit about his links to Pete Waterman and the PWL studio

True, but considering this was BBC4, I would liked to seen a contrast with William Blake, William Burroughs, and just what his musical influences were (Can, Velevets, MC5, Stooges?)

PWL??? News to me

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[simesf]

I used to live in Salford! Until my landlord (allegedly) set fire to my digs for the insurance after he'd been shagging his fancy woman in my bed when I was away for the weekend. Ah, nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

simesf

[Barbed Wire Kiss]

PWL??? News to me

I'd heard a rumour of Pete Waterman giving them recording time at his studio after Mark E worked him DOSE who were signed to PW's dance label ages ago. The proof is here: http://www.thewire.co.uk/web/unpublishe ... smith.html

When asked about working with DOSE:

That was great, but the mistake I made there was asking them to work on Levitate. They went dead rocky. I felt like a real corrupter. I had to fire them. They obviously read a book on how to be a rock producer, or how to behave. I said, if I wanted a bad rock producer, I'd have got one. I want you to do what you did when I worked with you [on the "Plug Myself In" single]. Jason still works with us. He was working at PWL at the time. He did a lot on Levitate, engineering and helping me with sounds. A lot of those funny noises, I couldn't have done that with a rock producer.

All those lads who work at PWL, people sneer at them, they work on Steps and all that, but their own stuff is dead weird. Guitar groups sneer at Pete Waterman's, but they're pushing a few more barriers than a lot of people. They leave school at 16 and go straight into the studio. You go into other studios, the engineer's smoking pot, he's got his own band, his own ideas. With these lads you can say, I want it to sound like this, and you can make the noise with your mouth. You go out for a drink, come back, and they say, we did it Mark the minute you went out the door [laughs]. You're so used to coming back an hour later and having to say, No it's not like that, now do it like this. I said to them, I want a backward noise, a bit like on Sgt Peppers but not quite. Triple echo. 60s sounds. They all went: What? A Sgt Peppers sound, what's that? One of the older ones said, oh, it's an LP or something. I said: I f**king love you lads!

He's been really good to me Pete Waterman. At PWL they just have PWL artists working there, but he did it as a favour to me. He's the best record company boss, for me. When I was working with DOSE, they'd be going, do this, do that, there were all these managers, interfering buggers, from their label. Pete Waterman comes in and says, Let Mark do what he wants, all right? He knows what he's doing. Yes, Pete! Stopping record labels interfering is half the job. What you hear on the record is like five per cent of the work.