KVR Audio

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:00 am

Squids wrote:
Lunch Money wrote:Cool beans, Squids.

You've successfully got me super-excited and very very curious. I hope there's at least a demo so that I can hear what's going on while I'm waiting for gainful enough employment to afford it. Any idea if IK's got a demo version planned or not?

Greg
A demo version will come but it won't be right away. Maybe a few months. Maybe some audio demos before then though..

All this begs for an A/B AMP-Sim Hardware comparison instead of ordinary demoes.

Solo E-Guitar .wav files should be run thru the plug with no stompboxes and thru the D/A converter, to the real amp, the results posted in .wav format so we can hear how good the Amp sims really are. Either that or the signal could be split to run into the A/B and amp at once. Watever method, we should get A/B comparisons with the hardware.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:29 am

Hmm .... interesting.
I am one of those who thinks Amlitube 1 is just perfect and meets all my dreams.
I can't think of anything that can sound better but I am willing to listen.
Ok maybe two complaints , a guitar tuner would be nice, and the final stage FX , reverb and delay, are very dirty but I never use them anyway cause I just plug in my beloved UAD-1 effects.

BTW the parallel signal path in the new version is nice but I have been using it with two instances of Amplitube 1 since the beginning.
20,000 setups? Hmm if you take into account the double signal path then the same thing can be achieved with two instances of Amplitube 1.

jtxx000 · Post by **jtxx000** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:47 am

cptgone wrote:Mmmh... maybe I can ditch my Line6 amp now (for recording purposes that is)

no way I'm getting rid of my PODxt...

Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:10 am

jtxx000 wrote:
cptgone wrote:Mmmh... maybe I can ditch my Line6 amp now (for recording purposes that is)
no way I'm getting rid of my PODxt...

me neither

LoRez · Post by **LoRez** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:22 am

bmanic wrote:We'll see if it is in the same ballpark as the Vox ToneLab. I very highly doubt it though. IMHO Amplitude 1.xx sounded absolutely s*** (IMHO !!!). But then again, no software has sounded even close to a real amp yet.. (plugin wise IMHO simulanalog guitar suite at 96khz samplerate is closest but still very far from convincing).

- bManic

How do you like your Tonelab? This thing really piques my interest, but I haven't had the opportunity to play one. The mp3 demos sound pretty great.

tuna · Post by **tuna** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:55 am

I sold my Pod for Podxt, disappointed
I sold Podxt right after I buy Tonelab, I'm happy.

punkrockdude · Post by **punkrockdude** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:01 am

bmanic wrote:ok, look, 96khz = OVERSAMPLING.. means that the plugin runs at a higher internal sampling rate which means that problems with aliasing are reduced.

just run your host software at 96khz, play some guitar trough the simulanalog gsuite, record, and do the same at 44,1khz.. very different sounds. Distortion is one of the things that benefit a lot by oversampling, at least if you are after a "warm" tone.

Btw. Tonelab totally kills the PODxt for clean, half dirty and crunchy sounds but you can't really get good rectifier or other really heavy tones from it.

Cheers!
bManic

I noticed the same thing. When I played with Amplitube in 96kHz the sound was so much better. When reading this it might just sound like jidderish, but there was a really big difference.

jtxx000 · Post by **jtxx000** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:11 am

bmanic wrote: Btw. Tonelab totally kills the PODxt for clean, half dirty and crunchy sounds but you can't really get good rectifier or other really heavy tones from it.

Cheers!
bManic

I dunno, I'm quite happy with the sounds I've gotten, especially with the model packs.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:09 am

Tonelab has model packs? Didn't know that.

Greg

jtxx000 · Post by **jtxx000** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:14 am

err.. i meant the pod

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:18 am

At this stage of the game, if someone offered me either a PODxt with model packs or Amplitube 2 for the exact same price, I'd probably have to go with Amplitube 2, because I don't do ANY live playing and wouldn't need the portability.

Haven't yet tried the demo, though, so that's just going by what I know of each.

Frankly, either of them would suit me much better than my current setup.

Greg

Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:44 am

Greg I'd still want to hear them first. I currently have Guitarport, and even though I can't use it as a plug-in or use it live and it runs off of host CPU, I'd still take it over Amplitube 1 any day of the week just because of the sound. But if Amplitube 2 sounds the biz, that'll be another story.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:12 am

Funky one, I know it's probably not in your typical price range. But, I know some of the music you like. If the modeling product more accurately emulates the real deal for vintage amps then it's the one to get. You want your mixes to sound like you used real Marshalls, Vox, Fenders? I know you do because I do too. It's REALLY expensive to have all of the real thing of those (not to mention loud). So, AmpliTube 2 is the key for getting the character and sweet tone of vintage amps and stomps.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:45 am

I'm gonna have to step in and voice some scepticism. (The self appointed guitar amp emulation police who knows them all really well)

All this marketing bullshit and you've got nothing to show except some god awful UI graphics? Do those valves glow "just like thew real thing" ie. with the music? *grin* Also, what the hell is this waste of UI space? there's that massive sized picture of nothing but a CG cabinet cover, then the small and fuzzy common UI controls at the bottom.
Christ!

Now excuse me while I throw up.

20,000 amp combinations? Let's do the math: all the controls combined and every single knob incremented by one. All the permutations add up to about 20,000.

Squids, you have me feeling ill.

Also, knowing IKs track record, they will have optimized (ie. truncated) the crap out of everything. That means they run that "perfectly real sounding amp emulation" at around 10-20% of modern CPUs. As a coder I know it is simply impossible to achieve convincing results like that.

Educated DSP person will know quite well what to expect. Magic tricks like Squids' claims are simply impossible.

I hope the god even some of his claims are true.

As for improving the forthcoming plugin even further, maybe more jpgs of amps with flashing tubes should be added? Maybe they should use even bigger sizes? Image is everything.

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:51 am

Kingston wrote:As for improving the forthcoming plugin even further, maybe more jpgs of amps with flashing tubes should be added? Maybe they should use even bigger sizes? Image is everything.

They could have a John-box up in the corner! A small John Petrucci, John 5, or John Scofield, depending on the chosen patch.

AMPLITUBE 2 !!