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Deed · Post by **Deed** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:43 am

what is so good about brambos' tuareg, whys it the best?

well it may not be the best slicer of all (it is not) but for free it is the best stand alone tool (not discontinued) that you can use I think, especially because it is embedded with a full music environment including a sequencer, a sampler, a synth, a wave management tool ...

However in the free version you cannot apply filter and realtime effects to your breaks, that's the only limitation ... but you can export wav or just buy the full version (very cheap) that will let you use internal filters and plugins (now even including a full VST sequencer

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It's really an underrated program. Just give it a try. Simple and fun, it does what it is intented for (it is some kind of powerful groovebox with internal sequencer) ... and much more

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:23 am

My 2 cents about TU2(Brambos) and shortcircuit focusing only on slicing:

TU2 free is very easy to use, got presets, gating effects and slices can be reversed. I think it's limited in 16th notes slices (or generally equal lenght slices) but it's dead easy to achieve decent results giving new life to any old loop.

shortcircuit (free) is another beast. I mean the GUI may be well laid out but it's not attractive. If you're not familiar with samplers (and I am not) it's not that straightforward to start working with, but a bit of "geting started" reading is helping a lot. Moreover there is not automatic slicing but once you 've sliced your loop the way YOU like it it's very easy to map the slices and start building new loops using midi.

I checked them both during the weekend and I ended up working with ... shortcircuit. Very cool filters also! The ployphony restriction in the free version it;s not very ... restrictive when working with loops IMHO.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:28 am

MicroDicer. Not free but the best in an "almost free" sorta price range.

Deed · Post by **Deed** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:41 am

btw I didn't check shortcirctuit free ... apparently I should do !
And you're right in tuareg you're limited to up to 16th slices with equal length. But for drum loops this should be all you need

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:52 am

yea, if u aint using EXS24 then MicroDicer is the top choice imo.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:57 am

Lance Vance wrote:yea, if u aint using EXS24 then MicroDicer is the top choice imo.

Since when does the EXS do any slicing?

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:08 am

ah well..sorry. it doesnt.

but that combined with Recycle is the dope!

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:11 am

Lance Vance wrote:ah well..sorry. it doesnt.
but that combined with Recycle is the dope!

Sorry, can't agree too much here either. The import options are way limited (regarding sample and EXS patch organization).
Best thing for me all through these years has been that Logic actually previewed REX files in song tempo. Now that MicroDicer is just doing it as well, it's time to forget about it.
Yeah, it's got no filters - but I just drag them slices anywhere, should I need such.

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:17 am

i like to split up several breaks on my keys, and build a beat with that. and thats not possible in MD yet. so until thats implented, i'll stick with EXS24.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:20 am

Lance Vance wrote:i like to split up several breaks on my keys, and build a beat with that. and thats not possible in MD yet. so until thats implented, i'll stick with EXS24.

Yeah well. True. That's why I drag them slices elsewhere (usually to DR-008).

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:23 am

yeah well.. thats to much of a hassle for me, when its working that smooth just importing the REX'es straight into EXS24 right away instead.
i got issues with DR008 as well.. i dont like that default mode when using ultrasampler mode. i have to switch of the freakin envelopes on every single pad.

but sure, i can see the use of dragging some chosen slices out into DR008 like that tho.. if u just need/want a few of this and that..
i use most of he breaks and stuff tho.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:26 am

Lance Vance wrote:with DR008 as well.. i dont like that default mode when using ultrasampler mode. i have to switch of the freakin envelopes on every single pad.

I allways use EasySampler for simple stuff.
Btw, for all the loop business, Battery actually is a slightly better choice (editing of multiple slices), too bad it's got no global filters (B1 that is). And it's got less cells than DR-008 too.

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:31 am

well, battery dont wek that godd in multimode in logic 5.5.1 wich is what i'm using, and i dont fancy the NI stuff tbh. dunno what it is, but all their gear seem to have no bottom in the soud, like there is some sort of NI filtering goin on.

well, lets not make this a thread about their products, perhaps its just me.

and yea, not much pads in battery i'm afraid. at least compared with DR008.
wish RMIV had drag n drop support and more pads..oh well!

easysampler is good yea, if u dont wanna tweak something.

oh.. i missed out that u wrote B1.. sorry. skip the first part of this msg then.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:41 am

Isn't it frustrating none of the slicing or drum sampler apps is getting the job done ALL IN ONE?

EXS: Tough control over individual slices (same goes for any "full" sampler).
Battery: Not enough cells (same goes for RMIV). No filter (in V1).
DR-008: No editing of multiple cells. No global filter, no global amp envelope.
MicroDicer: No sampler, just a slicer (same goes for Phatmatik).

Etc etc.

I've allready been posting some rather lenghthy "ideal drum machine" request some time ago... seems like Drum9 might fulfill all our dreams one day.

Really, I find it amazing that there's literally TONS of drum and/or slicing options, yet EACH of them is leaving out quite some more or less essential options.
Slicing loops (and what not), then replacing slices, enhanced with some synthesizing options (such as envelopes and filters) seems to be the most common thing in "groove constructing" these days, but there's just nothing doing the job without dealing with multiple plugins (well, Stylus RMX might be nice, but it's WAY too proprietary).

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:47 am

haha..i couldnt agree with you more in every single point here!!
just ask my friends wich i am nagging about the exact same thing all day long!

but yea, Drum9 looks to be the real thing, as well as phatmatik 2. i heard something about the creator of phatmatik were mention something about phatmatik 2 being the Sascha Franck's dream sampler/slicer thing..

Need a Slicer