I am new to all this stuff, so please have a bit patience with me!
I have a audigy (1) soundcard and eKeys49 midi/controller that I just got. I found a couple of links to some free soundfont-banks for the grand piano, which I have downloaded and successfully imported to Vienna.
When I try to play any note, the program protests with a message saying something like its not enough memory to play the samples.
I thought that the soundcard utilize the system-memory of the pc to play these samples. But that is maybe not so after all? Or is there a setting I am missing?
If this is it, is there a nice, free, grand piano soundfont available that isnt going to choke my audigy?
Any help/insight is appreciated, thank you!
.msa
Newbie question - audigy soundcard Soundfont problem
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 28 Oct, 2002
This post should probably be in the hardware forum.
Anyway, you usually get that error if you are using the KXproject drivers.
Also, in case you don't know, the purpose of Vienna is to edit soundfonts, not to play them.
Anyway, you usually get that error if you are using the KXproject drivers.
Also, in case you don't know, the purpose of Vienna is to edit soundfonts, not to play them.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 3 posts since 14 Jan, 2005
I know that Vienna is for editing, but if you cant play a soundfont note within Vienna, chances are it will fail in any other soundfont-software also.
I only mentioned Vienna as to make clear to you that the softfont had been loaded, so we could narrow down the number of parameters for error.
I will repost this in the hardware section if that is where this inquiry belongs. Thank you.
.msa
I only mentioned Vienna as to make clear to you that the softfont had been loaded, so we could narrow down the number of parameters for error.
I will repost this in the hardware section if that is where this inquiry belongs. Thank you.
.msa
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- KVRist
- 30 posts since 21 Jun, 2004
On my system I go into the Soudfont Bank Manager (installs with the card) pick Midi Devices and increase the font cache size to whatever I need. Probably the same on yours.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 3 posts since 14 Jan, 2005
I am afraid that I have not heard of the KXproject drivers. I will have check it out. What is the main benefit of these drivers?
I will perhapse start by looking into to the cache size of the soundfont bank manager. It sounds (pun intended) like the obvious solution.
Thanks for the advice!
I will perhapse start by looking into to the cache size of the soundfont bank manager. It sounds (pun intended) like the obvious solution.
Thanks for the advice!
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 28 Oct, 2002
The Kx Project drivers are meant to replace Creative's drivers for the Live and Audigy soundcards.
Specifically created for musicians, they have no EAX nor any other of the bloated crap Creative produces for gamers and DVD freaks.
These drivers provide ASIO, WDM, AC3 and even GSIF 1.7 support.
Amongst other things you have the entire wavetable synthesizer that is the 10k chip, opened up for you, allowing you to load in special plugins, and use custom routings.
There are even plugins now to emulate tube amplifiers, as well as the usual compressors, vocoders, decimators, noise gates etc.
Because these plugins are used by the card, they have zero latency and zero cpu load.
The latest KX drivers will even allow you to record SPDIF bit-for-bit at up to 96kHz with NO resampling, on Audigy cards. (Something which cannot be done with the Creative drivers).
The KX drivers provide every Creative card containing a 10k chip, a genuine 7.1 output.
The sound quality of these drivers surpasses Creative and even the old hacked Emu drivers.
And as mentioned before, they have an inbuilt soundfont cache which expands and contracts to fit all your loaded soundfonts. Every time you reboot, these soundfonts are reloaded for your use.
Most lamers don't like these drivers however, because they get a brain spasm when they see the DSP screen.
If you want everything laid out for you on a plate, they are probably not for you, but if you are willing to learn (there is a lot of documentation now), you will gain an enormous amount from them.
There is just one downside I can think of, apart from the complexity, which some people dislike.
The main disadvantage is that you cannot properly play soundfonts which are larger than 32MB even on Audigies. Creative's drivers seem to use some form of paging which allows Audigies to play large soundfonts up to about 200MB (and 340MB by using a registry hack). (Those figures are what I best recall, and may be off a bit
).
However to balance this, the amount of routings and automation events which can be handled is simply staggering. I told you it is complicated!
Also, the very latest alpha KX drivers will allow you, if you have a sufficiently fast machine, to achieve latencies of less than 1ms.
The main KX site is here:
http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/index.php?skip=1
Forums are here:
http://www.driverheaven.net/forumdispla ... forumid=67
Specifically created for musicians, they have no EAX nor any other of the bloated crap Creative produces for gamers and DVD freaks.
These drivers provide ASIO, WDM, AC3 and even GSIF 1.7 support.
Amongst other things you have the entire wavetable synthesizer that is the 10k chip, opened up for you, allowing you to load in special plugins, and use custom routings.
There are even plugins now to emulate tube amplifiers, as well as the usual compressors, vocoders, decimators, noise gates etc.
Because these plugins are used by the card, they have zero latency and zero cpu load.
The latest KX drivers will even allow you to record SPDIF bit-for-bit at up to 96kHz with NO resampling, on Audigy cards. (Something which cannot be done with the Creative drivers).
The KX drivers provide every Creative card containing a 10k chip, a genuine 7.1 output.
The sound quality of these drivers surpasses Creative and even the old hacked Emu drivers.
And as mentioned before, they have an inbuilt soundfont cache which expands and contracts to fit all your loaded soundfonts. Every time you reboot, these soundfonts are reloaded for your use.
Most lamers don't like these drivers however, because they get a brain spasm when they see the DSP screen.
If you want everything laid out for you on a plate, they are probably not for you, but if you are willing to learn (there is a lot of documentation now), you will gain an enormous amount from them.
There is just one downside I can think of, apart from the complexity, which some people dislike.
The main disadvantage is that you cannot properly play soundfonts which are larger than 32MB even on Audigies. Creative's drivers seem to use some form of paging which allows Audigies to play large soundfonts up to about 200MB (and 340MB by using a registry hack). (Those figures are what I best recall, and may be off a bit
).However to balance this, the amount of routings and automation events which can be handled is simply staggering. I told you it is complicated!
Also, the very latest alpha KX drivers will allow you, if you have a sufficiently fast machine, to achieve latencies of less than 1ms.
The main KX site is here:
http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/index.php?skip=1
Forums are here:
http://www.driverheaven.net/forumdispla ... forumid=67
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- KVRAF
- 3002 posts since 24 Nov, 2003 from Heidelberg&Hamburg
meroveus wrote:
Most lamers don't like these drivers however, because they get a brain spasm when they see the DSP screen.
I once had the drivers, early version, and had some troubles with them. But now they should work fine, and it's a great work they do, well worth a donation for people who use those drivers much. I still use large soundfonts though and wait until that problem maybe will be solved.-
- KVRian
- 820 posts since 15 Dec, 2004
Is not exactly this way, at least how i understand it.The main disadvantage is that you cannot properly play soundfonts which are larger than 32MB even on Audigies. Creative's drivers seem to use some form of paging which allows Audigies to play large soundfonts up to about 200MB (and 340MB by using a registry hack). (Those figures are what I best recall, and may be off a bit ).
However to balance this, the amount of routings and automation events which can be handled is simply staggering. I told you it is complicated
You can load soundfonts larger than 32 mb, but you cant play more than 32mb of wave data at same time. This is what the tricky audigy creative drivers solve and not yet the KX ones.
Suppose you have a 35 mb piano soundfont. Never you will play the 35mb at same time. For do this, you need play all the sampled keys at same time (suposing you have only one layer)
But if you have a 256mb piano soundfont (like the splendid one) is possible. Also is possible if you are using big soundfonts for diffrent instruments.
For reference what im talking (my english is not very clear, i know) see this thread at the kxproject forum:
http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=66296
Playing soundfonts i found the creative drivers, by the moment, better for me. But, i have another partition in my disk where i have installed the powerfull KX ones, worst the pitty to do.
See you!
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 28 Oct, 2002
That's what I saidmarce wrote:Is not exactly this way, at least how i understand it.
You can load soundfonts larger than 32 mb, but you cant play more than 32mb of wave data at same time.
In any case, large SF's are what Eugene is currently working on.
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- KVRian
- 820 posts since 15 Dec, 2004
Have you info about it or is a wish/suppose?In any case, large SF's are what Eugene is currently working on
Reading the 3538 new features i dont see nothing of it (only is listed under "bugs"), but is probable that i miss much info since im not very much on that forum.
Sorry if my write sound rude, probably my english.
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 28 Oct, 2002
"I currently have some music-related activities that might affect our 'roadmap', that is, at the moment I'm mostly interested in supporting large soundfonts (the known 32Mb sample length limitation)."marce wrote:Have you info about it or is a wish/suppose?In any case, large SF's are what Eugene is currently working on
Taken from Eugene's first post on this thread: http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=64750
Not at all. Your English is lots better than my Spanish!marce wrote:Sorry if my write sound rude, probably my english.
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- KVRist
- 35 posts since 23 Apr, 2001 from On the spot.
Maybe I'm a lamer but I always had trouble even finding my way round the mixer screens ...meroveus wrote:Most lamers don't like these drivers however, because they get a brain spasm when they see the DSP screen.
Bt the KX drivers _did_ work well, at least with my old, cheap & trusty SBLive.
Today, tbh I really don't care about loading up SF's any more, even if I have an Audigy in my system (with only the drivers installed
): since SFZ ther's no problem playing any soundfonts DFD...tom
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- KVRian
- 820 posts since 15 Dec, 2004
Load soundfonts trough hardware instead a software sampler is always good alternative, specially if you are working with some heavy project. CPU USE using a soundcard is near 0%. Use sfZ or another one, and you will find that a nice % of CPU is eaten.since SFZ ther's no problem playing any soundfonts DFD...