I'm trying to control several VST's in XT for live performance. I'm also the proud new owner of a keyboard that doesn't switch midi channels very quickly.
What work arounds do people have so that I could get, say from my rhodes patch to my grand piano at the push of a button... any button, during a performance?
've seen on the FR list in automation the suggestion that VST bypasses be CC or qwerty automatable, either of which would work, just curious if there are any work arounds right now.
A midi channel router app that would accept a CC map or let me set hot keys would definitely do the trick.
Thanks to the gurus.
~Rich
Switching vsts live with 1 channel workaround?
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- KVRist
- 57 posts since 12 Oct, 2004 from Philadelphia
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- KVRAF
- 3948 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from germany
i quickly setup a project which should do what you like to do :
short explanation:
above , this is the two channel version .
you can send C-2 and D-2 notes to switch between two instruments , in this case i used mda piano and epiano as examples (note they have to be set to their according "RCh" to take effect).
basically the incoming notes are split by a midi patcher component and translated into CC numbers by Tobybear's Note2CC plugins wich feed NDC's Midi Channeliser to change the midi channel on which incoming notes (here from E-2 to G8 ) are played .
below there is a version for 7 instruments just to show that this concept is expandeable (up to 16 instruments , maybe even more) .i just used sampler components instead of the pianos (you could also use ext vsti instead - limit is only set by your cpu and memory) .
HERE you can download the project , for convenience and avoiding trouble with other versions , the midi plugins included .
any probs with the file , just let me know
short explanation:
above , this is the two channel version .
you can send C-2 and D-2 notes to switch between two instruments , in this case i used mda piano and epiano as examples (note they have to be set to their according "RCh" to take effect).
basically the incoming notes are split by a midi patcher component and translated into CC numbers by Tobybear's Note2CC plugins wich feed NDC's Midi Channeliser to change the midi channel on which incoming notes (here from E-2 to G8 ) are played .
below there is a version for 7 instruments just to show that this concept is expandeable (up to 16 instruments , maybe even more) .i just used sampler components instead of the pianos (you could also use ext vsti instead - limit is only set by your cpu and memory) .
HERE you can download the project , for convenience and avoiding trouble with other versions , the midi plugins included .
any probs with the file , just let me know
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 57 posts since 12 Oct, 2004 from Philadelphia
wow.
I readily admit that this is a little past my midi comfort level. This is actually very close to what I need, for whatever reason though, the "7" set up is not taking those notes as channel changes in channeliser.
In messing around a little, I'm starting to see how it all works. I'm going to try to describe a set up, to see if this can be done. This is really helpful, thanks.
I have a CX-3 transmitting on channel 1 into the rack pc, through midisport A. I have a behringer fcb1010 on B, transmitting on whatever channel it wants to. (the expression pedals and bottom 5 switches are spoken for with fx control) the Top 5 pedals on the FCB can be set to send either note events or CC messages, this I can adjust. Can I use those five pedals to make channeliser convert the CX-3 channel 1, from channels 1-5? It's important that the rest of the fcb is on its own, so that stomp box and expression stuff doesn't trigger notes or mess with the synths.
Thanks again, I feel like I'm right on the cusp of getting this. The file was a big help.
I readily admit that this is a little past my midi comfort level. This is actually very close to what I need, for whatever reason though, the "7" set up is not taking those notes as channel changes in channeliser.
In messing around a little, I'm starting to see how it all works. I'm going to try to describe a set up, to see if this can be done. This is really helpful, thanks.
I have a CX-3 transmitting on channel 1 into the rack pc, through midisport A. I have a behringer fcb1010 on B, transmitting on whatever channel it wants to. (the expression pedals and bottom 5 switches are spoken for with fx control) the Top 5 pedals on the FCB can be set to send either note events or CC messages, this I can adjust. Can I use those five pedals to make channeliser convert the CX-3 channel 1, from channels 1-5? It's important that the rest of the fcb is on its own, so that stomp box and expression stuff doesn't trigger notes or mess with the synths.
Thanks again, I feel like I'm right on the cusp of getting this. The file was a big help.
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- KVRAF
- 3948 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from germany
so if i see this right you have two midi ports in use in ext , or graphically , two midi connectors on the master in . first one is port A , second B ?
with this in mind i modified the file and connected the first port as the "playback channel" and the second as the "switch channel" , where the later one's going to do nothing but the choosing of the midi channel (and having the expression pedal in mind - all cc messages are transferred unchanged to all attached instruments , which could be dealt with if it makes a problem).
btw , cc #125 is used for the channel switching , just to keep that in mind to not transmit that with your CX-3 as i don't know if it does or not , just in case i took a high number to not have conflicts .
i took another screeny to make clear what i meant with two connectors at the 'master in' .
(the midi part is just used for testing purposes , you can safely delete it if you wish)
HERE is the new ext project .
all you have to do now is to set the five pedals to the notes "C -2" ,"D -2" ,"E -2" ,"F -2" and "G -2" .
i couldn't completely test it for 100% functionality , so if it doesn't work at all or you find anything mysterious let me know
with this in mind i modified the file and connected the first port as the "playback channel" and the second as the "switch channel" , where the later one's going to do nothing but the choosing of the midi channel (and having the expression pedal in mind - all cc messages are transferred unchanged to all attached instruments , which could be dealt with if it makes a problem).
btw , cc #125 is used for the channel switching , just to keep that in mind to not transmit that with your CX-3 as i don't know if it does or not , just in case i took a high number to not have conflicts .
i took another screeny to make clear what i meant with two connectors at the 'master in' .
(the midi part is just used for testing purposes , you can safely delete it if you wish)
HERE is the new ext project .
all you have to do now is to set the five pedals to the notes "C -2" ,"D -2" ,"E -2" ,"F -2" and "G -2" .
i couldn't completely test it for 100% functionality , so if it doesn't work at all or you find anything mysterious let me know