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[advaya]

I used to know no jargon at all. I played in a duo, and when we met, we exchanged ideas through pheromones and the occasional gesture. Sometimes we didn't understand each other. For instance, once my musical partner thought I was making some sort of negative comment on what he was playing, but in reality I was only making a "stinky face" over a particularly groovy (sorry about the jargon) eh... thing I was trying out. That's when I decided to learn some basic jargon (like "groovy"). I've never looked back, really. Can't tell you about the quality of the music I produce, beacause when I try to play for people, they always remember they have some errand to do.

Now that's the most entertainment I've had all morning...

[The Chase]

Is jargon some kind of brit slang?

[pHz]

Is jargon some kind of brit slang?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr ... ine:jargon

slainte rob

[kab]

How many people who knows all the technical jargon, actually make GOOD music???

I'm sure there are quite a few. I certainly don't know all the jargon, but I think I make what will evolve into good music, otherwise I wouldn't do it

If this is a stab at saying that knowing the tech side is not neccessary, why would you not want to know how to use the tools at your disposal?

This is like guitarists that don't "need" to learn theory or "need" to learn how to read sheet music.. all you're doing by stating such things is holding yourself back.

[ianweb123]

all you're doing by stating such things is holding yourself back.

I certainly wish I'd made the effort to learn piano properly when I was younger

[shamann]

This is like guitarists that don't "need" to learn theory or "need" to learn how to read sheet music.. all you're doing by stating such things is holding yourself back.

Good point, it doesn't hurt to learn, and it may help you. Knowledge doesn't have to be the exclusive domain of some stifling class of elites. But, there's also plenty of evidence around that you don't need to learn any of it to make great music.

See, I wish people stopped worrying about what's right or proper, and got to thinking about things as they are instead. No rule can be applied universally; for instance, what applies to Merzbow won't have any bearing on what applies to Destiny's Child. And if we get too bogged down in the perceived soiling of the rules, we might actually miss out on something beautiful and useful.

There was a thread here not long ago about the worst genre of music ever. As you might guess, pretty much every kind of music was mentioned. But what struck me was how closed off many people seemed to be to other possibilities and approaches to sound/music. Seems to me a sad way of living.

Lots of the jargon-folk (I use the term in absence of a more sufficient jargon) confuse opinion with authority, so instead of noting, "I don't like this painting for its use of red," they will inevitably state, "This painting is flawed for its use of red." A world of difference exists between each stance: one acknowledges subjectivity, the other denies it in favour of maintaining some social hierarchy from which the position-holder benefits heartily at the expense of others.

Cheers,
Steve

[da adidas 12]

I dont think technical jargon means much unless you are affiliated with people on the same level who can understand the subject.

[shamann]

I dont think technical jargon means much unless you are affiliated with people on the same level who can understand the subject.

Unless you're trying to appear impressive. This can backfire, of course.

A true story: My father used to work as programmer for a large manufacturer. In his day to day, he'd encounter many of the local engineers (read: glorified project managers with the keys to the store) who are often topnotch jargon speakers (just read some ISO documents for evidence, or telecommunications standards documents).

Much of their jargon employed acronyms, and they'd say things like "I have a KAK problem with my HOSP facility. I need a FZLPLK, ASAP." Utter nonsense.

To rile them up, my father, being one of the few who understood the jargon but not being one of the local engineers, would ask them to breakdown the meaning of each acronym. "I'm sorry, you have a KAK problem? Could you tell me what KAK stands for?" Invariably, they could not explain it.

[herodotus]

There was a thread here not long ago about the worst genre of music ever. As you might guess, pretty much every kind of music was mentioned. But what struck me was how closed off many people seemed to be to other possibilities and approaches to sound/music. Seems to me a sad way of living.

Lots of the jargon-folk (I use the term in absence of a more sufficient jargon) confuse opinion with authority, so instead of noting, "I don't like this painting for its use of red," they will inevitably state, "This painting is flawed for its use of red." A world of difference exists between each stance: one acknowledges subjectivity, the other denies it in favour of maintaining some social hierarchy from which the position-holder benefits heartily at the expense of others.

Words of wisdom indeed!

See, I wish people stopped worrying about what's right or proper, and got to thinking about things as they are instead.

And that is what music theory is supposed to do!! That theorists(not that there are many real, original theorists like Schoenberg around these days) instead run over the same old ground again and again, minutely describing minutiae in Mozart scores while ignoring the profound musical changes of the past hundred or so years, is the most telling indictment that could be brought against them.