SX3 more intuitive and user friendly?

[stag]

No arm done here.
it´s only natural emotional outburst when the topic is music related.
i rest my case , you get the famous last word.

[Ackelito]

hehe! thanks for the fun reading guys!

Cubase is something you need to configure to suite you..

*Keycommands
*Windows layouts
*Templates(different environements for different creation moods)

i have some templates with different vsti´s and FX, ready to start working...

i bet by just learning and configuring some keycommands you could get real far in terms of workflow....man i should really do that someday

You really need dual monitors if you feel that your workspace is crippled...

and i really dont know much about cubase, i state it very clear, im not talking bullshit

[csl]

cubase really needs to sort vst automation out though - why still can't we edit breakpoints in the designated parameter units? instead of a useless 1-37854985 value or something. ridiculous.

[headquest]

1. The hype and some magazine reviews say that Steinbergs Cubase SX3 is more user friendly than before. Would you agree, and why?

2. As a Cubase SX2 owner I haven´t tried SX3 yet, since the upgrade costs some bucks. Meanwhile, I have had an eye on Tracktion, that compared to SX2 seems to be extremely intuitive and user friendly. The thing I like with Tracktion is that is allows me to have an immediate overview of the tracks, the order of VST-instruments and effects and volume levels at the same time, without having to open several windows/mixers. Is this possible to achieve in SX3?

I left SX1 for Tracktion and have not missed anything. It depends on your needs of course, and I realise that Tracktion 1.6 lack some features that *others* have... but many of these are addressed in T2 which is out in March.

So I strongly recommend that you take a look at the T2 demo when its out. You obviously are already drawn by T1.6, and there's no doubt that T2 will offer so much more...

The workflow/productivity of Tracktion for me is second to none.

[Ackelito]

i would love to see something like FL studios automation approach in Cubase... damn that would be nifty... a wrapper for every vsti..

and also FL studios way of handling CC routings..
something like "Link to controller"
they should make it simple not a science...maybe i dont have all the aspects in mind.. anyway it would be cool...

[Sascha Franck]

i would love to see something like FL studios automation approach in Cubase... damn that would be nifty... a wrapper for every vsti..

and also FL studios way of handling CC routings..
something like "Link to controller"
they should make it simple not a science...maybe i dont have all the aspects in mind.. anyway it would be cool...

DEFENITELY!
The device setup (the only comparable thing in SX) still has a LONG way to go IMO!

[bugs]

Cubase really isn't for the hobbyist.

[Ackelito]

Cubase really isn't for the hobbyist.

what is left for us then? Pro tools

Cubase has nothing to do with its users, thats someting thats pretty clear
they are ruled by the german music maffia...

[TeeLangSun]

i would love to see something like FL studios automation approach in Cubase... damn that would be nifty... a wrapper for every vsti..

and also FL studios way of handling CC routings..
something like "Link to controller"
they should make it simple not a science...maybe i dont have all the aspects in mind.. anyway it would be cool...

DEFENITELY!
The device setup (the only comparable thing in SX) still has a LONG way to go IMO!

I agree with this. In Sonar, I was able to right click, midi learn, and map anything to any controller on my keyboard. In Cubase, almost nothing worked and other things were just unpredictable. Still, Cubase SL is my choice over anything else because a lot of other things in there are done right. At the end of the day, most of the sequencers share 95% of their features and they all have some particular ace up their sleeves. No one sequencer has everything right so all we can do is find the one which has most of what we want implemented in the way we like it. For me, that's Cubase for the most part. I'm very serious about key commands and window layouts so that makes it faster to work in Cubase. Still, it's got plenty of things I find to complain about. One question I have about SX3. Have they made it any more efficient? Cubase is the biggest resource hog and after finishing sessions, I find that it has a hard time just closing. It can take forever to just close the application. Tonight, it never finished closing after a session. It froze for about 3 minutes and I just rebooted the machine.

[LBN]

1. The hype and some magazine reviews say that Steinbergs Cubase SX3 is more user friendly than before. Would you agree, and why?

2. As a Cubase SX2 owner I haven´t tried SX3 yet, since the upgrade costs some bucks. Meanwhile, I have had an eye on Tracktion, that compared to SX2 seems to be extremely intuitive and user friendly. The thing I like with Tracktion is that is allows me to have an immediate overview of the tracks, the order of VST-instruments and effects and volume levels at the same time, without having to open several windows/mixers. Is this possible to achieve in SX3?

I left SX1 for Tracktion and have not missed anything. It depends on your needs of course, and I realise that Tracktion 1.6 lack some features that *others* have... but many of these are addressed in T2 which is out in March.

So I strongly recommend that you take a look at the T2 demo when its out. You obviously are already drawn by T1.6, and there's no doubt that T2 will offer so much more...

The workflow/productivity of Tracktion for me is second to none.

I'm in the same boat. I have SX 2.2 but I hadn't been working with it for a while due to outside life keeping me busy. When the Tracktion NFR giveaway came along I got inspired to get back into writing and production. I just found it so easy to work with Tracktion compared to Cubase SX. I can get things done without having a half dozen floating windows open on two monitors. Right now I'm just waiting for the Tracktion 2 demo to come out so I can give it a good rundown before selling Cubase SX. There's not a whole lot I want improved on Tracktion 1.6 other than the MIDI editing and it looks like that will be handled in Tracktion 2.

[stag]

On Cubase i don´t have to rigth click on anything to control an instrument , just select the track and the midi controller just takes charge .I´m able to select bettwen record cc or not,if i want to edit them later on.
On more complex VSTi they have midi learn too.

I´m sorry to tell this but this whole thread has the subtle scent of Piracy or plain rip off to be accurate.

the nature of the inicial question Should i upgrade or change sequencer??? Jeezz ,don´t make any sense unless you payd zero ,nada ,zip ,beyond a net connection.
and the comments done after by some just perspire envy and denial toward a company who has developed the best sequencer available today.

meanwhile i will never be tired of repeating:

RTFM

[headquest]

I´m sorry to tell this but this whole thread has the subtle scent of Piracy or plain rip off to be accurate.

the nature of the inicial question Should i upgrade or change sequencer??? Jeezz ,don´t make any sense unless you payd zero ,nada ,zip ,beyond a net connection.
and the comments done after by some just perspire envy and denial toward a company who has developed the best sequencer available today.

I think that's really quite a strange comment stag. I've heard quite a few Cubase diehards use this line of arguement when confronted by people who find an alternative sequencer more appealing. Why is this?

I can't speak for the other people who have contributed to the debate in this thread, but for my part I was/am a fully paid up owner of Cubase SX1.

I have chosen to switch to Tracktion for a variety of reasons, none of which have to do with money/cost:

1) Cubase was unstable on my laptop (P4, 2.8 Ghx, 512 DDRAM, 60Gb memory). It seemed full of bugs at the time (which may well have been sorted now, of course)

2) As a teacher I found that teenagers more readily identified with Tracktion's "one window" presentation - it is easier to explain and see the signal flow at all stages, without the need for mental gymnastics trying to visualising a hardware paradigm that the students had no personal experience of

3) In common with my personal experience, Cubase regularly crashed on the school computers.

4) Looking after multiple dongles in an educational environment is asking for trouble . And Steinberg were entirely unsympathetic to this reality

5) In the process of realising this, i discovered that I too prefered Tracktion's approach and that my productivity was greatly enhanced by it's more logical workflow

6) Unlike SX1 I found Tracktion to be rock solid. It has never crashed on my laptop or on a single of the computers I use with students

7) At that time Tracktion had a full-on Freeze function and full PDC. Cubase (from "the company who has developed the best sequencer available today" - in your opinion) had neither of these features.

To accuse people who choose not to stick with Cubase of being dishonest is frankly quite offensive. It adds insult to injury for those of us who have paid hundreds of pounds for a product that failed to deliver the goods, and to a company whose customer support is legendary for its failings.

I'm glad that your experience of Cubase has been better than mine and the schools where I teach. But that gives you no right to be personally offensive. People are allowed to have different experiences and opinions.

[UltraJv]

In my earlier post I said why complain about Cubase? Just use another host - Steinberg wont mind. You will always find something in any host which you wont like. Better the devil you know...

[Sascha Franck]

On Cubase i don´t have to rigth click on anything to control an instrument , just select the track and the midi controller just takes charge .I´m able to select bettwen record cc or not,if i want to edit them later on.

OK, show me how to control an FX send via MIDI CC in SX.
Or delay feedback of the internal delays.
Or XYZ.

Yes, you can do it via Device Setup, but
a) That's a global rather than a songbased setting.
b) It won't work with recorded MIDI CCs but only write to trackbased automation. Something I don't want, which I CLEARLY stated in another thread where you decided to jump on me without any proper reading from our side.

If Cubase is working fine for you - good.
If other people have problems with certain things, suggest (obvious!) improvements - DON'T FREAKING JUMP ON THEM, because you obviously just don't read what was asked/suggested.

[stag]

Well i did not tell you use pirate software,
but imagine this question:
"Hi peeps, i´m a logic 6.5 user but i´m afraid of upgrading to 7.1, i know it´s only 150EUR ,but recommend another app, please, i don´t even bother to test the Logic upgrade."

is this guy swimming in money or what.

Sasha it would be plain stupid to imply that you are
related with the use of pirated software.
Your Nick it´s your RL name ,that´s plain obvious you have nothing to fear.

you don´t like note to cc ,transformer ,the key map
,the whole Steinberg approach to a sequencer. I respect that but somehow i think it´s your loss.

Steinberg as developed ASIO ,VST ,VSL and set them free so developers could made what we have today.
not likely others company that developed protocols
that are not of public domain ,nevertheless AFAIK give a lot of problems to users as developers as well
but seems to me everybody is happy with them.


Is that bias or what?