which is Arturias best synth?

[Funkybot]

I'm not the one who first posted about the Arturia synths having the same oscs, and I'm pretty sure it was confirmed. All right here on KVR, I'm sure a good search would pull it up, maybe someone has the link. That really bugs me about their synths, and I just felt like saying so. On the other hand, I have demo'd the Minimoog, MMV, and CS80 (all at different times) and while I didn't buy any of them the Minimoog interested me and sounded good. Minimonsta and TimeWarp2600 have both been shown in A/B comparisons to be closer to the originals (go to the companies websites for the MP3s if you don't believe me) and sounded closer to me. That's my oppinion like it or not. You of all people should be one to understand what that's like. And I posted that cause I just felt like saying so, as well as to remind people of the osc's.

Oooh there ya go J&H ya got me! Exposed! Woah is me! I've been here years, I'm not beta testing or patch designing for any of the synths talked about in my posts, nor do I have any ulterior motive in posting what I have/had. If I did I would have been open enough to have said so. In fact the only thing I own from any of the three companies I talked about is G-Media's M-Tron.

Finally, considering you're a developer whose been doing god knows what with that 303 emulation, I'd really hope that you'd notice that the oscillators were the same in the Arturia synths mentioned. Otherwise I'd be worried. And in your defense as well as to prove a point, I'm not even a 303 whore but I was impressed with what I had heard of yours. This is why I can be annoyed that Arturia calls these synths emulations (wanting to tell people about the oscs) and still like their sounds at the same time.

[Funkybot]

Crimsontider, I'm repeating what I've heard posted around here. Someone said they had opened up the filters all the way and checked out the oscs in the different Arturia synths and they were all the same. The square was a perfect square, triangle perfect triangle, etc., whereas the original synths did not produce perfect waveforms. If this is true, and it wouldn't be hard to check for yourself, that would be a major f**k up on Arturia's part. I'm not confusing the technology for anything else, I know what an oscillator is, and I know a Minimoog shouldn't produce the same perfect square osc a CS80 does or whatever. If you own more than one of these or have the demos on your machine look for yourself.

[crimsontider]

If you know of a link please post. I am not doubting your intelligence or sincerity, just would like to know where you read that so I can check it out.

[gcsmoney]

Just asking, from page 1, What the hell is wayoutware's 2600 & where do I find it???



I used to be conceited, but I worked on that & now I'm just perfect!!

[PaulSC]

http://www.timewarp2600.com/

[Prefab doubt]

This sounds nice
No, unfortunately not!
But I have no problems telling everybody that I love their products.
Why shouldn't I support the things that make me happy and inspired as musician?

And I can do the same with Scarbee's stuff, BFD (even with its problems), Gmedia/Ohm's stuff (by the way, I'm, a bit disappointed that they did not made further updates on Oddity like midi learn!), some of NI's like Reaktor, etc. All "top" stuff, that in my opinion should be in everybodys' hands...

Xist are you really Xavier Oudin from Arturia

[omissis]

For what I remember about Arturia's "oscillator quest" threads, some people from Arturia itself stated that the oscillator algorythm is definitely the same ,what makes the difference is that the source algorythm is programmed to reproduce the weirdness of the individual models. Sadly this doesn't tell the whole story, because some synths have some really particular waveforms, I mean on the real Yamaha CS-80 the engineers designed the oscillator to produce a strange sawtooth wave with a small square on it...the audio result is a very nasal sawtooth sound;by the way this was not a weirdness, this was intentional! To prove what I say
go to http://www.cs80.com/vco.html.
I mean ,they excellently modelled some core features (that is , in my CS-80V, the filter behaviour) but this doesn't end up an "emulation" process. Moreover there are some bugs to fix and this don't pay honour to the quality of Arturia's products (and prices!).
So they have to refine the saw, sine and the square ( I don't mind the tri because the original didn't have it)...but moreover they badly need to make lots of bug fixing....
M

[omissis]

I suggest anyway to talk about our issues on Arturia forum, because there's a more direct link to the developing team...

[Fr@nk]

I'm not the one who first posted about the Arturia synths having the same oscs, and I'm pretty sure it was confirmed. All right here on KVR, I'm sure a good search would pull it up, maybe someone has the link. That really bugs me about their synths, and I just felt like saying so.

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And I posted that cause I just felt like saying so, as well as to remind people of the osc's.

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Finally, considering you're a developer whose been doing god knows what with that 303 emulation, I'd really hope that you'd notice that the oscillators were the same in the Arturia synths mentioned. Otherwise I'd be worried. And in your defense as well as to prove a point, I'm not even a 303 whore but I was impressed with what I had heard of yours. This is why I can be annoyed that Arturia calls these synths emulations (wanting to tell people about the oscs) and still like their sounds at the same time.

Dear Funkybot,

Arturia has _never_ confirmed that the synths have the same oscs. Xavier has stated that they are using certain technologies that are the same for each instrument but with very individual parameters for every single synth. So from my point of view saying that all oscs are the same is a not true. So if you continue to post such statements on this forum is like calling Xavier (or Arturia) a liar.

I am also a bit surprised (well maybe not) to see all those Arturia rants in every single "analog emulation" thread. I wonder what motivation people have to rant about Arturia even if the thread was about something different ... ???

Just my 0,2 Euro

Cheers,

Fr@nk
TOMESO - Germany

[omissis]

I am also a bit surprised (well maybe not) to see all those Arturia rants in every single "analog emulation" thread. I wonder what motivation people have to rant about Arturia even if the thread was about something different ... ???

Frank

I didn't mean to make my thought a mere rant, everyone is able to make it, and I don't mind about the VCOs being the same or not ,this didn't restrained me from buying and enjoying my beloved CS-80V.Actually it isn't the VCO problem that worries me ( in facts I said I did read somewhere that the algorythm was common , only adapted to model the individual features of the originals, I want all except making Xavier seem someone else than him! ).I also excuse myself if I contributed to carry this thread elsewhere. I just cry because the software (mine at least) suffers from several bugs and this isn't honourful to Arturia, anyway my duty is to push them to make things better and better. I said in different threads I would be glad also to pay for a big update and improvement, but then I feel I can exhige the best quality I can have for what I pay!
M

[Fr@nk]

Hi Max,

as you might have seen this was a reply/reaction to what Funkybot has written in this thread (and in many other threads as well). It was not meant as an answer to your post.

Regarding your wish list for the CS-80 V. IMHO it would have been enough to post your opinion on KVR once or maybe twice and again on the Arturia forum. I guess you made your point clear already.

Arturia has updated every product at least once, some have been updated with a lot of new features for free (see Moog Modular V 2 update). I really like the new Multi Mode and the Multi Out features of the latest CS-80 V update. So I guess chances are good to see at least some of your feature requests in an updated version of the CS-80 V at some point.

If you should have a buggy install of your CS-80 V you should consider to contact your local dealer or Arturia support. There might be some problems with your set-up as well?!?

Cheers

Fr@nk
TOMESO - Germany

[rouge]

I'm not the one who first posted about the Arturia synths having the same oscs, and I'm pretty sure it was confirmed. All right here on KVR, I'm sure a good search would pull it up, maybe someone has the link. That really bugs me about their synths, and I just felt like saying so.

...

And I posted that cause I just felt like saying so, as well as to remind people of the osc's.

...

Finally, considering you're a developer whose been doing god knows what with that 303 emulation, I'd really hope that you'd notice that the oscillators were the same in the Arturia synths mentioned. Otherwise I'd be worried. And in your defense as well as to prove a point, I'm not even a 303 whore but I was impressed with what I had heard of yours. This is why I can be annoyed that Arturia calls these synths emulations (wanting to tell people about the oscs) and still like their sounds at the same time.

Dear Funkybot,

Arturia has _never_ confirmed that the synths have the same oscs. Xavier has stated that they are using certain technologies that are the same for each instrument but with very individual parameters for every single synth. So from my point of view saying that all oscs are the same is a not true. So if you continue to post such statements on this forum is like calling Xavier (or Arturia) a liar.

I am also a bit surprised (well maybe not) to see all those Arturia rants in every single "analog emulation" thread. I wonder what motivation people have to rant about Arturia even if the thread was about something different ... ???

Just my 0,2 Euro

Cheers,

Fr@nk
TOMESO - Germany

I am the one who originally posted the information about Arturia oscillators. I am not calling anyone a liar, but I have looked (oscillascope) and listened to all of Arturia's synths extensively and encourage everyone else to download the demos and do the same. I even own the MMV2, and I can say without a doubt that they share all the same oscillators. They look and sound the same. The only reason I bring this up is because I want them to improve their emulations, and I want developers who do a better job to get the recognition they deserve. If they call it a Moog, Arp or CS-80, it should sound like one. If not, this is false advertisement. I challenge Arturia to put up comparison MP3s of each of their synths as the other developers have.

[Fr@nk]

I am not calling anyone a liar, but I have looked (oscillascope) and listened to all of Arturia's synths extensively and encourage everyone else to download the demos and do the same. I even own the MMV2, and I can say without a doubt that they share all the same oscillators. They look and sound the same.

Well, don't get me wrong, but in this case I believe the guy who actualy does the programming. It is a known fact, that the CS-80 V oscs are not free running, but the other synths do feature free running oscs. So tell me, how can this be, if they are using the same code for every synth?
I have met Xavier in person and he told me that the oscs are not the same, period. Repeatingly stateing wrong information is like trying to establish some urban myth to me.

The only reason I bring this up is because I want them to improve their emulations, and I want developers who do a better job to get the recognition they deserve.

LOL! Maybe your nick should be "Mother Theresa"

Cheers

Fr@nk
TOMESO - Germany

[rouge]

I am not calling anyone a liar, but I have looked (oscillascope) and listened to all of Arturia's synths extensively and encourage everyone else to download the demos and do the same. I even own the MMV2, and I can say without a doubt that they share all the same oscillators. They look and sound the same.

Well, don't get me wrong, but in this case I believe the guy who actualy does the programming. It is a known fact, that the CS-80 V oscs are not free running, but the other synths do feature free running oscs. So tell me, how can this be, if they are using the same code for every synth?
I have met Xavier in person and he told me that the oscs are not the same, period. Repeatingly stateing wrong information is like trying to establish some urban myth to me.

The only reason I bring this up is because I want them to improve their emulations, and I want developers who do a better job to get the recognition they deserve.

LOL! Maybe your nick should be "Mother Theresa"

Cheers

Fr@nk
TOMESO - Germany

Free running OSCS have nothing to do with the waveshape. LOOK AT THE BLOODY THINGS IN AN OSCILLOSCOPE!!!
and use your EARS. They are the same.To say you "BELIEVE" is to admit you dont "KNOW". I have tested and seen.THIS IS FACT!!! If you dont "BELIEVE" me test
them yourself and get back to me. Going off of what Xavier "SAID" means litte.

[AsianCarol]

[quote="Funkybot"]Crimsontider, I'm repeating what I've heard posted around here. Someone said they had opened up the filters all the way and checked out the oscs in the different Arturia synths and they were all the same. Aha........so i was right when i said that they all sound the same!!!!!!!