thanks to your post, I checked ou the SIR page for the first time in ages. He's working on a 0 latency versionfarlukar wrote:maybe SIR with cabinet impulses?
That would truly rock 
Looking for a Bass Guitar Amp Sim plug - free of course
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- KVRAF
- 3723 posts since 17 Apr, 2002 from Scotland
That would truly rock -
- KVRian
- 1496 posts since 10 Nov, 2002 from Earth
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- KVRAF
- 1511 posts since 2 Jul, 2004
I just built the perfect, free bass amp using ruby tube and convolution for the cab simulation. It's a little complicated, but the sound is better than any commercial amp sim I've heard - believe me.
The real trick is using quality impulses of speaker cabinets to accurately simulate the acoustic properties of those big 15 inch speakers (or 8x10 aluminum cone things - you name it!). The best thing is: you get the characteristics of the expensive mic's used as well as the room the speaker was in. Perfect sound in headphones.
for the amp sim: rubytube
http://www.silverspike.com/rubytube.html
i use it in limiter mode, driven almost halfway up. This gives a slightly distorted tube sound, with lots of treble without adding too much noise.
My favourite bass cabinet impulses are from this archive:
Phil_Fee Guitar and Bass Cabs from this page:
http://www.noisevault.com/index.php?pag ... &cat_id=18
the impulses are from an SWR workingman amp. The impulse set contains different mic. positions. the trick is to use two of these impulses simultaniously:
Work 15 441 Cent 48s.wav
and Work 15 441 edge - 6dB.wav
these are made positioning the mic at the center and the edge of the speaker - like a read recording ingeneer would do in a studio. Check out the other impulses too - some of them might be more suitet to your taste.
to use the impulses get Revolverb from this link:
http://noisevault.com/plugs/RevolVerb_L.zip
be careful with this free beta convolver though. It crashes your host if it cannot find the impulse you used in a song... so don't move your impulses around! It's great though, free, zero latency and good quality.
Add the two revolverbs in parallel. You can do this in modular hosts like plogue bidule (free).
I use Energy XT if you like I can upload the .ext file - but XT is not free (although is's almost free - about 50 bucks for a full audio / midi sequencer and modular VST host - basically : it's a steal - I can't help advertising it...)
good luck.
The real trick is using quality impulses of speaker cabinets to accurately simulate the acoustic properties of those big 15 inch speakers (or 8x10 aluminum cone things - you name it!). The best thing is: you get the characteristics of the expensive mic's used as well as the room the speaker was in. Perfect sound in headphones.
for the amp sim: rubytube
http://www.silverspike.com/rubytube.html
i use it in limiter mode, driven almost halfway up. This gives a slightly distorted tube sound, with lots of treble without adding too much noise.
My favourite bass cabinet impulses are from this archive:
Phil_Fee Guitar and Bass Cabs from this page:
http://www.noisevault.com/index.php?pag ... &cat_id=18
the impulses are from an SWR workingman amp. The impulse set contains different mic. positions. the trick is to use two of these impulses simultaniously:
Work 15 441 Cent 48s.wav
and Work 15 441 edge - 6dB.wav
these are made positioning the mic at the center and the edge of the speaker - like a read recording ingeneer would do in a studio. Check out the other impulses too - some of them might be more suitet to your taste.
to use the impulses get Revolverb from this link:
http://noisevault.com/plugs/RevolVerb_L.zip
be careful with this free beta convolver though. It crashes your host if it cannot find the impulse you used in a song... so don't move your impulses around! It's great though, free, zero latency and good quality.
Add the two revolverbs in parallel. You can do this in modular hosts like plogue bidule (free).
I use Energy XT if you like I can upload the .ext file - but XT is not free (although is's almost free - about 50 bucks for a full audio / midi sequencer and modular VST host - basically : it's a steal - I can't help advertising it...)
good luck.
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life
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- KVRAF
- 1907 posts since 29 Oct, 2003
you make sense, ohm. I guess this would require setting 2 pre-fader sends in non-modular hosts.
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- KVRAF
- 1511 posts since 2 Jul, 2004
mauseoleum: yeah, that would do it, thanks for elaborating. I guess you could try converting the two mono impulses into one stereo impulse. That might prove to be more stable too, since revolverb can be a little annoying if you have several instances running. Use your favourite audio editor to merge the two mono files.
You might want to crop them as well - removing some silence from the end to save some CPU. You can actually remove 90% of the impulse... you loose the room reverb but save some CPU cycles. Converting the impulses to a lower rate / resolution is another way to save CPU... but don't be too cheat with it...
You might want to crop them as well - removing some silence from the end to save some CPU. You can actually remove 90% of the impulse... you loose the room reverb but save some CPU cycles. Converting the impulses to a lower rate / resolution is another way to save CPU... but don't be too cheat with it...
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life
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- KVRer
- 11 posts since 22 Oct, 2004
Can someone be kind enough to please email me the bass and guitar cabs impulses file? I've tried accessing noisevault's link with different computers with no avail. If possible maybe a bundled zipped file of impulses from noisevault.com? i really don't know why i can't get in there. Click on download and they just link me to a blank page. Waited and nothing happens.
I'll appreciate it very much.
Please mail to crumpled_balls@yahoo.com.sg .
I'll appreciate it very much.
Please mail to crumpled_balls@yahoo.com.sg .
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- KVRAF
- 1511 posts since 2 Jul, 2004
noisevault.com has been redesigned - the new link is:
http://www.noisevault.com/index.php?opt ... cat&cat=18
http://www.noisevault.com/index.php?opt ... cat&cat=18
http://www.livelab.dk - slice up your life
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
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- KVRian
- 762 posts since 2 Sep, 2004 from Poland
Another tricks is to mix dry bass with processed one by hipass filter and usual guitar amp. This way you will get growl but clean lows. It can be quite effective especialy for rock.
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- KVRian
- 1335 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from ocation: cation: ation: tion: ion: on: n: :
I've tried to download cabinet impulses from NoiseVault, but all I get is redirection to this address: http://noisevault.com//components/com_remository/
Is it just me or is there something wrong with NoiseVault after the redesign? I remember downloading impulses from there before without any problems...
Is it just me or is there something wrong with NoiseVault after the redesign? I remember downloading impulses from there before without any problems...
the the impotence of proofreading
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- KVRist
- 39 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from Sydney Australia
Me too with NoiseVault. Bummer. I'm getting a big sound using at live track recorded through Fretted Synths new Freeamp combined with a clean track recorded at the same time. Here's my recipe ...
Start with Clotar preset and switch off the chorus and echo. Set all the EQs to dead centre but give the mid about 10% at input.
Chub on +12 with the slider about 3/4, VariAc at full and switched to the far left (whatever that means), contour dead centre and drive at 3/4.
3/4 volume and 4:1 pre compression, no post comp. Everything at dead centre on the overdrive pedal except the level at about 40%.
Record a clean DI track at the same time and combine the two after running each seperately through some light compression (6:1 15ms attack)and then give the Freeverb track an extra 1db (or adjust to taste). Delay the clean track to compensate for phase distortion. Finish with a low shelf at 70 and high shelf about 4100 then into some 4:1 compression with a 10ms attack. Sounds like crap when it's soloed but huge in a mix with some big overdriven guitars.
In the words of Spinal Tap ... Big bottoms, we got em.
Start with Clotar preset and switch off the chorus and echo. Set all the EQs to dead centre but give the mid about 10% at input.
Chub on +12 with the slider about 3/4, VariAc at full and switched to the far left (whatever that means), contour dead centre and drive at 3/4.
3/4 volume and 4:1 pre compression, no post comp. Everything at dead centre on the overdrive pedal except the level at about 40%.
Record a clean DI track at the same time and combine the two after running each seperately through some light compression (6:1 15ms attack)and then give the Freeverb track an extra 1db (or adjust to taste). Delay the clean track to compensate for phase distortion. Finish with a low shelf at 70 and high shelf about 4100 then into some 4:1 compression with a 10ms attack. Sounds like crap when it's soloed but huge in a mix with some big overdriven guitars.
In the words of Spinal Tap ... Big bottoms, we got em.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Problem with SIR still being that you can't use it while tracking. Probably not as important for basses.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 2 Apr, 2004
Bass pre-amps are definetly a gap in the market, Ive posted a similar question some time ago. The Ampeg VST plug seems like a good option but no one knows when it ever is gonna be released and it certainly wont be free.
When I still played bass in bands and recorded in a studio my bass was mostly plugged right in the mixing desk (sometimes a d-i box), or a combination was made with a miked amp. The last studio I recorded in had a very nice tube pre-amp/di box(?), just a little box with a real tube in it, id like to get one of those but they prob are expensive (?). A good bass doesnt 'really' need a pre-amp when recording I was told, just warm it up a bit with a tube and use a bit of compression afterwards.
I downloaded those basscabs long time ago but never used them yet, I've never tried SIR but I might give it a go now. I now use an old fourtrack as pre-amp and only use compression afterwards. I agree with Lunch Money that it helps that I also have an AMERICAN FENDER JAZZ BASS !!! (WOOHOO!)
When I still played bass in bands and recorded in a studio my bass was mostly plugged right in the mixing desk (sometimes a d-i box), or a combination was made with a miked amp. The last studio I recorded in had a very nice tube pre-amp/di box(?), just a little box with a real tube in it, id like to get one of those but they prob are expensive (?). A good bass doesnt 'really' need a pre-amp when recording I was told, just warm it up a bit with a tube and use a bit of compression afterwards.
I downloaded those basscabs long time ago but never used them yet, I've never tried SIR but I might give it a go now. I now use an old fourtrack as pre-amp and only use compression afterwards. I agree with Lunch Money that it helps that I also have an AMERICAN FENDER JAZZ BASS !!! (WOOHOO!)
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- KVRAF
- 2818 posts since 30 Aug, 2001 from where dinosaurs are still alive
ohm is right about robytube & revolverb, I've found also xtra pleasure using simulanalog tubescreamer, gain from half to max, tone all way down coupled with pristine space light. no problems with latency.
Noisevault looks a bit messy at the moment...btw, when the collection will be totally back check also the impulses from the Bass Pod from Phil Fee. I know it's a bit perverse to emulate an emulation, but try them. I like the "big boy" one. now, all that I need is a serious wha for that Wetton sound.
Noisevault looks a bit messy at the moment...btw, when the collection will be totally back check also the impulses from the Bass Pod from Phil Fee. I know it's a bit perverse to emulate an emulation, but try them. I like the "big boy" one. now, all that I need is a serious wha for that Wetton sound.