History of the KVR Developer Challenge-Very Old Thread

[Hunter]

What to f**k some of you guys think developers are?

Brainless success junkies? Bored millionaries with tonns of spare time? KVR "marketing" orgasm freaks? ...



Wish you much luck with that "idea".

(And I wish I had that time you obviously have.)

I dunno why you couldn't have just phrased it more like the way I phrased my own comments on potential problems with this interesting idea

I was thinking maybe charity could somehow be involved with this too, eg sales of the synth go to charity, and pledge money goes to the devs... oh i dunno thinking off the top of my head here and a bit tired...

[ianweb123]

I think if the VST using community saw monetary awards being given to freeware, it would help elevate their sense of value in freeware, and software in general. I think it would help improve the image of the developer, and help the general community be more aware of the value of a developer's time and skills.

Blimey I can already hear the "Is a dev only a hand-code dev, or does that include SE/Synthmaker/Reaktor Ens. Devs" argument striking up

[Steven West]

Hey Bro-Bro! I think this is a MARVELOUS idea! I mean all the dev's here do great stuff as is - but put a 'pot of money on the table', it'd be interesting just to see what Ian or Russ or Xoxos et al would do? Maybe there's some SE or C++ wizard in his or her basement eating Kraft Dinner that's desparate for some coin? You never know?

Let the donations build up for a month - given whatevers agreed upon. 303 Emulator, Industrial Guitar Synth, Most Unusual Synth (Slapmeister gets my vote!) and so on. Maybe the cash prize might be $50, $500, $5000 dollars - depending the gear agreed upon, who knows? And I don't know how Ian does it already - but if there's $5000 over his head, I'd be fearful for his personal health!

But it could further a little company like Tiny God or Krakli, it could start up a company like 'Kraft Cheese Synths'... AND - it's a hell of a marketing tool for N.I. and Arturia and Steinberg et al to look in and see the interest for say a 'Best MC-202 Emulator' has gained. Or maybe 'The Best Oberheim Emulator' only gets like $50 raised? Saves their R+D and marketing depts. ALOT of wasted time and money.

But KVR members who chip in $10 or so are 'guaranteed' to get a damn good Oberheim synth out of it. And even if Krakli wins the prize, I might personally think Tiny Gods had the better sound and use that more. Or maybe Ian might learn some new thing that doesn't work for a Oberheim emulation per say - but could lead to Yava3 or KarnageII after? Alot could be gained, learned, and had by a little 'friendly competition' that pays I think?

And it's not like every dev HAS TO join in... But I think if the pot was at $559.31 and it's only Feb 3. They'd think about it. Or if it's just $10 by the months end - f**k it.

[Steven West]

Adding up the poll already = $185 raised for 'nothing'. And how old is this thread?

[ianweb123]

But why do we always have to be doing this stuff for financial reward.. I would be more inclined to leave that money in peoples pockets so that they can eventually go out and buy stuff from the devs who are try to make a living out of this.. Speaking for myself, I would be far happier doing something like this for FUN!

[NiallM]

But why do we always have to be doing this stuff for financial reward.. I would be more inclined to leave that money in peoples pockets so that they can eventually go out and buy stuff from the devs who are try to make a living out of this.. Speaking for myself, I would be far happier doing something like this for FUN!

I agree - I don't think there needs to be any monetary incentive. The point should be (imo) to test your skills/creativity against other developers.

Personally, I'd also like to see the source code (/synthedit files etc.) made available, so there could be a separate award for neatest code/most imaginative solution (or something), although I'd imagine that some people may not want to do that (as they might want to use bits and pieces from their commercial plugins).

You can count me in, btw, if this thing gets of the ground .

- Niall.

[Hunter]

But why do we always have to be doing this stuff for financial reward.. I would be more inclined to leave that money in peoples pockets so that they can eventually go out and buy stuff from the devs who are try to make a living out of this.. Speaking for myself, I would be far happier doing something like this for FUN!

partly what i was thinking when I suggested the charidy thing... the punters have to pay (just a few$, $20 or whatever) for the synth, the dev gets the kudos and their name on the synth, and the money goes to charidy???...

[Steven West]

The beauty of it is - it's hardly any money from anyones pockets. BUT - it's alot of money for you, or xoxos or slapmeister... And as the saying goes, 'if at first you don't succeed... Enter again' Or, don't enter at all - and stand back when xoxos gets the prize. Let him gloat all he wants - and in the next 2 months, it might be Slapmeister struting around like a cock, er - rooster.

But in a year - KVR and it's members could establish and/or aid 6 basement developers... And you might save some person ALOT of money by not having to buy Arturia's 'OB-Xa' in the long run. We all get 'free' plug ins out of it, and you - and/or xoxos, and/or Russ, and/or INSERT NAME HERE may get some decent coin from it... On top of Yava sales and Tiny God merchandise.

[Lunch Money]

I like the idea. It'd take some thought and planning to get it running if there's a 'reward', but in the end I think it'd be worth it to at least try.

What's the worst that could happen? It wouldn't work? Who has lost anything by that?

I agree that it should be mostly for FUN, but if there's a bit of incentive for the less jolly people, there'd be more participation, increasing the overall levels of fun anyhow. Plus, if a Betabugs dev won, we could really use the money to pay for some of the stuff that's coming out of our own pockets never to be seen again. And we don't even have a donate button. <chuckle>

Regarding earlier comments about donating just because we want to rather than being 'tricked'-- hey, no reason people shouldn't donate to their favourite devs AND also be able to chip in for this. I've donated (small amounts, admittedly) to 5 freeware/donationware developers (and counting) but I'm STILL interested in this idea. Other people might look and say, "OK, well it's only $5, so I'll donate $5 to this competition and another $5 to Magnus, just so that I've also helped someone I respect whether he wins or loses (or is even entered)."

Greg

[jones-y]

A pack of cigarettes which I finish in half a day ...

Daaaaaaammmmnnnn........

[useruseruser]

I don't think, that a freak, who actually merely knows how to work with an module patching application (SE) is just a "developer".

(So you could also call a men, who is able to write a letter with a word application a "developer".)



Althought, there are some ppl who call themselfes "designer" while putting together some web pages...

Well. We even live in aworld of superlatives and exaggerations ...

[tuz]

ok then... to keep it simple, let's say we do this only for the freeware devs. we would still collect money. and please do not be offended by this devs. this would just prove that we do appreciate your hard work. it would just mean a little bit of support and comfort from friends... maybe it won't be enough to do much with. but you could sure go out and drink a beer or two, on us. I know I appreciate all the freeware devs hard work and I'm willing to donate an amount within my limits. it's not about the money. but how can I come over to say UK or tucson and take you out for a friggin beer? we are a community here. I feel that we could do something to support the freeware devs; I'm not saying let's just throw money in their faces. but I guess if we could collect money, then we would have solid proof that we honestly appreciate their hard work. but we could do it in such a way that it actually becomes exciting for both sides... us and the devs. we would try the various plugins... we would love some... we would hate some... we couldn't care less about some... but hey we would write reviews, gossip, give feedback. and it surely wouldn't be a forced thing. I really can't figure out the whole format of this thing but I feel that if we thought a bit more, we could come up with a solution that is simple and fun for everyone willing to join. I'm not trying to insult anybody, or trying to be a pain in the ass. I just think that here, at KVR, we have something unique that I haven't seen in many places. there is simply something that brings me back here. I get excited when a certain product is announced. I shit my pants when it's released. I listen to fuckin awesome music done with awesome plugins. I post my crappy music and wait like an idiot in front of the computer. I count the views, minus out my own. I count the posts. I'm like a friggin retard. but, in the end I always come back. maybe you don't use a dev's plugins but I'm sure you appreciate the hard work put into it. it's a creation, that persons hours, and sweat. I just want a way to be able to thank them as a community. not just me, but all of us or as many of us who are willing. I can thank you, praise you, hail you... and I'm sure it'll make you proud. but wouldn't it be cool if you could take a sip of your beer and say... "This is from my friends at KVR." cheers


devs competition rules and submissions thread? the donations pool thread? the gossip, the results? in the end everybody wins something... literally.... maybe we could pool the money for two months. vote and the top ten would divide the money equally among themselves. or based on the money even top twenty. up to 5 plugin submission per dev and free for all. then the devs could decide what to do with the money. get more dev tools, or donate to charity, or buy a huge bag of weed for inspiration ... whatever....

I guess I can only hope for some more ideas which could turn this complex fantasy into a simple reality.

[McLilith]

I don't think, that a freak, who actually merely knows how to work with an module patching application (SE) is just a "developer".

(So you could also call a men, who is able to write a letter with a word application a "developer".)



Althought, there are some ppl who call themselfes "designer" while putting together some web pages...

Well. We even live in aworld of superlatives and exaggerations ...

'Ever bitter, and ever annoying--as always. Earlier, you belittled this thread and claimed that you didn't have time to make posts to it. I just wish that were actually true.


Sweet dreams,
McLilith

[tuz]

I don't think, that a freak, who actually merely knows how to work with an module patching application (SE) is just a "developer".

(So you could also call a men, who is able to write a letter with a word application a "developer".)



Althought, there are some ppl who call themselfes "designer" while putting together some web pages...

Well. We even live in aworld of superlatives and exaggerations ...

talk talk and smile like an idiot. what's so funny?

[tuz]

I guess I'll just have to learn to ignore the nuisances. that was my first and last time getting truly mad at someone here.