----I say we need a Dev to be a *judge* and to hold the Paypal money,one that doesn't want to participate,one that is at least "known" here as having done something before. Get that main *judge* lined up,they have 33% of the vote,anyone who contributes the $5-$10 gets to vote toward the other 67%,and whatever synth/effect is entered is either designated freeware,or anyone who paid in gets it for 1/2 price if it's commercial. Flesh out some details,set a deadline,(say start it by March 1st,and end voting date is September 1st),and get $250 in the bank and get it going,and yeah,I'm in.
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History of the KVR Developer Challenge-Very Old Thread
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- KVRian
- 1399 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
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- Banned
- 590 posts since 20 Jan, 2003
not that i'm a coder, programmer or build with blocks, but would i ever consider to enter on a competion made of masonic conspirants?
i prefer to pay a cote to Ben to contimue to access kvr than to pay to make elitisc groups of bitches raise
i prefer to pay a cote to Ben to contimue to access kvr than to pay to make elitisc groups of bitches raise
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- KVRist
- 450 posts since 2 Nov, 2003 from 'sunny' Gaylord, Michigan, USA
this has been an absolutely entertaining thread.
i thought there was a poll here awhile back about having a membership dues kinda thing for this site. i'm absolutely not opposed to that, i get good value from this site, even if i had to pay an annual fee.
i'd go a few bucks for a contest like mentioned above, but maybe muse or kvr would like to squander their profits from a pay site on something like this.
anyways, my vote would be yes, but i don't want that rat-bastard sick getting any of it!
i thought there was a poll here awhile back about having a membership dues kinda thing for this site. i'm absolutely not opposed to that, i get good value from this site, even if i had to pay an annual fee.
i'd go a few bucks for a contest like mentioned above, but maybe muse or kvr would like to squander their profits from a pay site on something like this.
anyways, my vote would be yes, but i don't want that rat-bastard sick getting any of it!
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TotcProductions TotcProductions https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6202 - KVRAF
- 5155 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Franklin, NH
I think it's a good idea.....although, I think every month would be a bit much....I think letting the competition run for at LEAST 3 months (if not 6) for each session would be more realistic. Just a thought. I'd support it with 5 to 10 dollars though for each comp.
peace!
peace!
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
I think it should be open to anyone who wants to participate - whether it's Niall and has C++ wizardry, or Liqih from Dash Signature looking for 'extra promotion' or Ian and his proffesional SE packages, or Xoxos and his 'bare bones' approach... Anyone that thinks they can master say a MC-202 or a ElectroHarmonix Synth as the main goal. To pick a synth/beatbox/device that is unique and/or really hasn't been mastered yet. Krim likes a 303, and that has been done to death for instance - maybe never getting the 'real essence' yet... But if something like a MC-202 is brought 'back to life' in some way shape or form, Krim might say 'Holy crap - this is better than any 303' (I personally like the 202 much better myself. 
) But nothing too huge and ridiculous like a ARP2500 or Yamaha GS-1 okay?
The main goal of ALL dev's is for 'sound emulation', 'CPU consumption', 'ease of use', and finally 'packaging and extra features'. If Ian makes it in a 'purple and pink skin' with Sampling/Glissando/and Delay lets say, and Xoxos is just a rough frame work GUI but with the distinctive sound of the synth, and is dead easy to use with no bugs - Xoxos the better contender right? Not to say Ian has to go 'back to the drawing board' either - Krim or I may like the 'pink and purple and added effects' beyond the 'basic MC-202', and not use Xoxos ever - even though he won for authenticity.
But I wouldn't even worry about 1st, 2nd, 3rd places and all. Just ONE pot for ONE synth that goes to the highest voted member in a poll by ALL KVR members who care to vote and comment in the thread. Leave the voting/polling open for 2 weeks so everyone can find and try Tiny Gods, NDC's, Krakli's and whoever else submits an entry synth to the contest. And on to the next bantied about 'missing link'.
But I think first a poll should be done with 3 synths at first - and simple ones to choose from.
Leave it up for 2 weeks ONLY.
Say like "Which synth emulation would you be willing to pay for the best money can buy you -
Roland MC-202
ElectroHarmonix Synth
PaIa FatMan
That's it - let everyone bitch and whine 'Why not a 303?', 'I wouldn't even pay a nickel for a FatMan - that's stupid!' Fine, f**k you - have a nice day.
At the end of 2 weeks, if the percentage is highest for FatMan - that's what it will be. Study, learn and recreate the PaIa FatMan as best a dev can.
Have a PayPal account set up for people to donate into from their Visa cards, AmEx, Diners Club whatever, and just let it go. Maybe 3 KVR people chip in $5 bucks in 2 months, maybe 879 members chip in $10 average - who knows? No one here urges or intimidates anyone. All your own free will.
And at the end of two months - poll them all. Maybe Xoxos did his in a week and everyones been using it and liking it for 2 months, maybe Liqih is just putting the finishing touches on his, maybe Russ is just putting out 1.093 of his. But when polling STARTS all dev's STOP, or they will be disqualified.
Poll for 2 weeks with everything 'as is' - and whoever registers 'the loudest' on the 'Rock'O'Meter' gets the prize.
Feel sorry that Xoxos only got $15 for his PaIa FatMan, and Niall gets $1879.00 for his 'Gleeman Pentaphonic' - that's the way the cookie crumbles.
We ALL get a decent friendly bug free FatMan AND a Pentaphonic out of it - and leave N.I. and Arturia et al spitting out our dust. 6 unique award winning VSTi instruments in a year that may cost an average KVR member $5-10 for them all. And 75% of KVR gets them for free just like they used to regardless whether $10 was raised, or $1000 raised. Xoxos can get better and try again, SpeedSoft may have thought they were a shoo-in and only got 12% of the votes.
The people of KVR have spoken - and some even paid.
This isn't a contest, quite so much as a revolution. Think about it.
) But nothing too huge and ridiculous like a ARP2500 or Yamaha GS-1 okay? The main goal of ALL dev's is for 'sound emulation', 'CPU consumption', 'ease of use', and finally 'packaging and extra features'. If Ian makes it in a 'purple and pink skin' with Sampling/Glissando/and Delay lets say, and Xoxos is just a rough frame work GUI but with the distinctive sound of the synth, and is dead easy to use with no bugs - Xoxos the better contender right? Not to say Ian has to go 'back to the drawing board' either - Krim or I may like the 'pink and purple and added effects' beyond the 'basic MC-202', and not use Xoxos ever - even though he won for authenticity.
But I wouldn't even worry about 1st, 2nd, 3rd places and all. Just ONE pot for ONE synth that goes to the highest voted member in a poll by ALL KVR members who care to vote and comment in the thread. Leave the voting/polling open for 2 weeks so everyone can find and try Tiny Gods, NDC's, Krakli's and whoever else submits an entry synth to the contest. And on to the next bantied about 'missing link'.
But I think first a poll should be done with 3 synths at first - and simple ones to choose from.
Leave it up for 2 weeks ONLY.
Say like "Which synth emulation would you be willing to pay for the best money can buy you -
Roland MC-202
ElectroHarmonix Synth
PaIa FatMan
That's it - let everyone bitch and whine 'Why not a 303?', 'I wouldn't even pay a nickel for a FatMan - that's stupid!' Fine, f**k you - have a nice day.
At the end of 2 weeks, if the percentage is highest for FatMan - that's what it will be. Study, learn and recreate the PaIa FatMan as best a dev can.
Have a PayPal account set up for people to donate into from their Visa cards, AmEx, Diners Club whatever, and just let it go. Maybe 3 KVR people chip in $5 bucks in 2 months, maybe 879 members chip in $10 average - who knows? No one here urges or intimidates anyone. All your own free will.
And at the end of two months - poll them all. Maybe Xoxos did his in a week and everyones been using it and liking it for 2 months, maybe Liqih is just putting the finishing touches on his, maybe Russ is just putting out 1.093 of his. But when polling STARTS all dev's STOP, or they will be disqualified.
Poll for 2 weeks with everything 'as is' - and whoever registers 'the loudest' on the 'Rock'O'Meter' gets the prize.
Feel sorry that Xoxos only got $15 for his PaIa FatMan, and Niall gets $1879.00 for his 'Gleeman Pentaphonic' - that's the way the cookie crumbles.
We ALL get a decent friendly bug free FatMan AND a Pentaphonic out of it - and leave N.I. and Arturia et al spitting out our dust. 6 unique award winning VSTi instruments in a year that may cost an average KVR member $5-10 for them all. And 75% of KVR gets them for free just like they used to regardless whether $10 was raised, or $1000 raised. Xoxos can get better and try again, SpeedSoft may have thought they were a shoo-in and only got 12% of the votes.
The people of KVR have spoken - and some even paid.
This isn't a contest, quite so much as a revolution. Think about it.
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
Right now our 'hypothetical pot' is around $700 - quite a jump in a day... For 'nothing'.
Imagine if it was a Jupiter 6.
Imagine if it was a Jupiter 6.
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- KVRAF
- 2548 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
Is this jackyl&hyde posting under a different nickname, after everyone told him to shut up?hjack wrote:not that i'm a coder, programmer or build with blocks, but would i ever consider to enter on a competion made of masonic conspirants?
i prefer to pay a cote to Ben to contimue to access kvr than to pay to make elitisc groups of bitches raise
If not, you could have fooled me, and I do apologize to somebody for the mixup. Trouble is, I'm sure if I've insulted jackyl&hyde or hjack by making the comparison.
sweet dreams,
McLilith
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- KVRAF
- 3066 posts since 31 May, 2002 from My chair
No it's not. Now you must grovel!McLilith wrote:Is this jackyl&hyde posting under a different nickname, after everyone told him to shut up?
But please, try not to let j&h get under your skin so much. It just encourages him.
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
Let 'em bitch and whine McLilith... They're $700 poorer currently from the way I see it.
No Dev HAS TO enter - if they'd rather make their 'FlabboGasser Synth' and give it away, or charge $20 for it... They're free to do so. I won't think any less of anyone for NOT participating.
I don't get involved in the Music Contests here - but I don't think anything better or worse of anyone that does. Maybe someday I'll submit something - win or loose. Maybe not.
No Dev HAS TO enter - if they'd rather make their 'FlabboGasser Synth' and give it away, or charge $20 for it... They're free to do so. I won't think any less of anyone for NOT participating.
I don't get involved in the Music Contests here - but I don't think anything better or worse of anyone that does. Maybe someday I'll submit something - win or loose. Maybe not.
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- KVRAF
- 2548 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
Oh, okay.Markleford wrote:No it's not. Now you must grovel!McLilith wrote:Is this jackyl&hyde posting under a different nickname, after everyone told him to shut up?
I'm sorry hjack. I've been under a lot of stress lately. I honestly don't know what came over me.
take care,
McLilith
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- DC TC
- Topic Starter
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
I don't know if forcing developers to do a specific plugin is such a good idea.
on the other hand there might be a choice of a certain amount of plugins... let's say 20 and an "other" option. that way we could vote for whatever plugin we want.
if the plugin isn't listed then just vote "other" (I mean, come on who doesn't like surprises???) say 303 got 10%, FatMan got 50%,the Kazoo vsti got 5%, the bitch-slap plugin got 5 %, the MC-202 got 5% and "other" got 25%. the rest of the plugins didn't get any votes. hence, there would be 6 categories of plugins that the developers can choose from (I'm keeping it simple for now).
Fatman
Other (surprises surprises)
303
Kazoo
bitch-slap ???
MC-202
we could then look at how many developers chose from each category based on a developer vote of the member voted plugins.
assuming 15 devs are participating, let's say:
6 chose "other"= 40%
5 chose the 303= 33%
3 chose the FatMan= 20%
1 chose the Kazoo= 7%
no one chose the bitch slap or the MC-202 (sorry Mr. West )
to be fair to the developers, since they're doing all the work, the percentage of the prize money would be the percentage of the plugin votes of the developers.
finally let's assume we collected $2,000.00...
it would be like this:
the "other" category winner gets $800.00 (40% of 2K)
303 winner gets $660.00
FatMan winner gets $400.00
Kazoo winner gets $140.00
if the devs didn't like their choice of plugins and all chose "other" the winner would get friggin 2K...
or we could just dump this whole idea and go with get a bunch of donations, put it in an account. let the devs do their thing and vote. these guys work hard for us. they take pride and joy out of our hails and thank you's. but that's the least "we" can do for them. let's do more. and devs PLEASE accept this, at least give it a shot. It will be for fun, as well as funds which you can use to donate to charity, or throw a big party or whatever. just have fun... do your thing... but you deserve a lot more than just thank you's and 's. you put all those hours to give us these free toys we can use to make "music". and that is one thing that brings us all here and forms this awesome community we call KVR. I find it amazing that you guys do this. you freeware devs are plugin machines that just won't stop giving and giving. and some devs charge, but they're usually way more reasonable than commercial companies' prices.
one more thing... in the scenario above, some people will end up getting frustrated because their plug-in either didn't make it into the developer vote or didn't turn out to sound like they wanted it to. just don't forget this is solely for the purpose of good ol'fun and support. these devs work hours and hours just to come up with stuff for us and what do we do??? most of the time nothing. let's have some fun and reward the devs for what they do for "us".
on the other hand there might be a choice of a certain amount of plugins... let's say 20 and an "other" option. that way we could vote for whatever plugin we want.
if the plugin isn't listed then just vote "other" (I mean, come on who doesn't like surprises???) say 303 got 10%, FatMan got 50%,the Kazoo vsti got 5%, the bitch-slap plugin got 5 %, the MC-202 got 5% and "other" got 25%. the rest of the plugins didn't get any votes. hence, there would be 6 categories of plugins that the developers can choose from (I'm keeping it simple for now).
Fatman
Other (surprises surprises)
303
Kazoo
bitch-slap ???
MC-202
we could then look at how many developers chose from each category based on a developer vote of the member voted plugins.
assuming 15 devs are participating, let's say:
6 chose "other"= 40%
5 chose the 303= 33%
3 chose the FatMan= 20%
1 chose the Kazoo= 7%
no one chose the bitch slap or the MC-202 (sorry Mr. West
)to be fair to the developers, since they're doing all the work, the percentage of the prize money would be the percentage of the plugin votes of the developers.
finally let's assume we collected $2,000.00...
it would be like this:
the "other" category winner gets $800.00 (40% of 2K)
303 winner gets $660.00
FatMan winner gets $400.00
Kazoo winner gets $140.00
if the devs didn't like their choice of plugins and all chose "other" the winner would get friggin 2K...
or we could just dump this whole idea and go with get a bunch of donations, put it in an account. let the devs do their thing and vote. these guys work hard for us. they take pride and joy out of our hails and thank you's. but that's the least "we" can do for them. let's do more. and devs PLEASE accept this, at least give it a shot. It will be for fun, as well as funds which you can use to donate to charity, or throw a big party or whatever. just have fun... do your thing... but you deserve a lot more than just thank you's and 's. you put all those hours to give us these free toys we can use to make "music". and that is one thing that brings us all here and forms this awesome community we call KVR. I find it amazing that you guys do this. you freeware devs are plugin machines that just won't stop giving and giving. and some devs charge, but they're usually way more reasonable than commercial companies' prices. one more thing... in the scenario above, some people will end up getting frustrated because their plug-in either didn't make it into the developer vote or didn't turn out to sound like they wanted it to. just don't forget this is solely for the purpose of good ol'fun and support. these devs work hours and hours just to come up with stuff for us and what do we do??? most of the time nothing. let's have some fun and reward the devs for what they do for "us".
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- KVRist
- 362 posts since 11 Sep, 2002 from Scotland
Yeah, I have to say that I'd be kind of put off if the contest was to emulate a particular piece of hardware - that's not really the kind of thing I'm interested in (also, the only hardware synth I've got access to is a Korg Electribe - for anything else I'd just have to imagine how it sounds, works etc. (not necessarily a bad thing, I suppose...)).
- Niall.
- Niall.
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 1 Sep, 2004
An emulation compared with an "anything else surprise".
Just all for fun...
Seems you really have no clue of what you're talking about here.
[An emulation needs some extraordinary scientific tools and experiences (including the original equipment). And even then, all kind of people suddenly will claim, that it "isn't that authentic"! Whatever you do.]
Whatsoever:
- When does it start?
- Where to post the results?
- Whats the time limit for devs?
- And where to post that money?
And where are the rules?
Ahh, I forgot. The rules are just made: "No rules. All just for fun".
Just all for fun...
Seems you really have no clue of what you're talking about here.
[An emulation needs some extraordinary scientific tools and experiences (including the original equipment). And even then, all kind of people suddenly will claim, that it "isn't that authentic"! Whatever you do.]
Whatsoever:
- When does it start?
- Where to post the results?
- Whats the time limit for devs?
- And where to post that money?
And where are the rules?
Ahh, I forgot. The rules are just made: "No rules. All just for fun".
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