Anybody know if the 2.1 update will include ST responding to Expression messages?
It's a pain to program lifelike strings and brass with out it.
Rollasoc
http://www.hairthieves.com
ST 2.1
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- KVRian
- 735 posts since 13 Jun, 2003 from Shrewsbury, UK
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
That's a good question actually.
I've just faced this same issue with VSampler 3.5 - how to make it respond to expression messages. Luckily there is a rather convoluted way to do it.
For some reason I just assumed (especially with Philharmonik coming up in the near future) that the engine would automatically respond to expression messages.
Caleb
I've just faced this same issue with VSampler 3.5 - how to make it respond to expression messages. Luckily there is a rather convoluted way to do it.
For some reason I just assumed (especially with Philharmonik coming up in the near future) that the engine would automatically respond to expression messages.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 735 posts since 13 Jun, 2003 from Shrewsbury, UK
I know there are a few ways around it, like
http://www.hairthieves.com/tip/rec/st2.htm
which I had limited success with or
assigning the volume control to CC:11 to mimic the expression and then send the track to a group track and use that for the overall volume of the track.
It's just a bit of a pain.
Rollasoc
http://www.hairthieves.com
http://www.hairthieves.com/tip/rec/st2.htm
which I had limited success with or
assigning the volume control to CC:11 to mimic the expression and then send the track to a group track and use that for the overall volume of the track.
It's just a bit of a pain.
Rollasoc
http://www.hairthieves.com
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- KVRian
- 1256 posts since 22 Aug, 2003
Is Expression control/CC11 just a volume control?
What I use for that is just to modulate CC10 - works for me, and ST2 even renders with it on output (as far as I know, even the latest versions don't respond to MIDI CC changes during render - except for CC10 and pitchbend, I think).
I might be wrong, though - I've never really heard anything more than a vague notion of what expression control actually is.
What I use for that is just to modulate CC10 - works for me, and ST2 even renders with it on output (as far as I know, even the latest versions don't respond to MIDI CC changes during render - except for CC10 and pitchbend, I think).
I might be wrong, though - I've never really heard anything more than a vague notion of what expression control actually is.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 735 posts since 13 Jun, 2003 from Shrewsbury, UK
Essentially it is a relative volume control.Rellik wrote:Is Expression control/CC11 just a volume control?
Normally you'd use Volume (CC:7) to control the maximum level for each part and you use Expression to adjust the volume between 0 and that max level relatively. So you get 0-127 range within the 0 to max volume range.
Very useful if you are trying to emulate how a bow drawn across strings affects the sound.
Hope that helps.
Rollasoc
http://www.hairthieves.com
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Yes relative volume is exactly how I would describe it too.
You can do it with absolute volume of course - but it's not as easy to program with. And if you need to change the volume of the instrument in mixing you then need to change all volume controller information you've used to create swells etc..
With relative volume - you can have a violin playing at Volume 100 for example.
Then you can use relative volume to create a swell during a passage bringing the relative volume back to 0 when finished and you're back at Volume 100.
If you decide the volume of the violin needs to be lower in the mix - say volume 90. None of the swells are effected because the volume changes are relative to whatever the main volume setting is.
Caleb
You can do it with absolute volume of course - but it's not as easy to program with. And if you need to change the volume of the instrument in mixing you then need to change all volume controller information you've used to create swells etc..
With relative volume - you can have a violin playing at Volume 100 for example.
Then you can use relative volume to create a swell during a passage bringing the relative volume back to 0 when finished and you're back at Volume 100.
If you decide the volume of the violin needs to be lower in the mix - say volume 90. None of the swells are effected because the volume changes are relative to whatever the main volume setting is.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
While we're here... A cool trick is to enable the eq/comp and assign CC:7 to the high EQ.... so as you increase the volume, you also get a slightly brighter sound, and as you lower the volume, you get a slightly mellower sound. I then use CC:7 as expression, and adjust the mix in my sequencer's mixer.
There will be even more flexibility with ST2.1, because there will be enough stereo outs to have every part on its own mixer channel in your sequencer!
Forever,
Kim.
There will be even more flexibility with ST2.1, because there will be enough stereo outs to have every part on its own mixer channel in your sequencer!
Forever,
Kim.
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
And that's a big WOOHOO from me.Jeez wrote: There will be even more flexibility with ST2.1, because there will be enough stereo outs to have every part on its own mixer channel in your sequencer!
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.