These new mega-workstations?

[invitia]

This woman has been discussed before, each to his/her own, but this is a severe case of synthesizer bulmia.

"Just one more synth and I'll start making music..."

"I can stop shopping synths whenever I want, I just don't want to stop"

"Hello my name is .... and I am a synthoholic"

It's just funny seeing there are also women having this kind of addictions, most severe cases of synthomaniacs are men.

More is less in cases like this. More synths = less music.

And no, I don't think she is happy or very creative.
This is not collecting, this is obsession. At least people collecting cars can use the excuse that the it's a good investment and that the value will increase, but who expects a secondhand Nord 1 to increase it's value above it's original price? And who buys a Nord Lead 2X when you already have an Nord Lead 2? Or who buys a Moog Voyager limited edition when you already have the original? Etc, etc?

[McLilith]

These things aren't about unleashing the artist within, there aimed at a specific pro market. But outside of TV hack work, who would want them?

Hey I don't need that particular keyboard, but i would LOVE to do some TV hack work some day.


What?



take care,
McLilith

[BONES]

I checked out the NAMM promo videos for both the new Alesis Fusion and Korg OASYS, and I wonder if the target market are only people doing television work. They all just sound like generic commercial/TV filler to me, can't see why anyone would want it for anything but the most generic programming.

Jap synth demo's ALL sound like that, and always have, but I've never had too much trouble getting the sounds I want out of them. I imagine that KORG, et al would have a much better chance of selling this kind of thing than the latest twist on the MS2000 where VSTi have it totally covered. I'm sure its incredibly tough for these guys today but they are hardly likely to shrug hteir shoulders and move on, are they?

[Mr. Tunes]

my question has always been... you have all that money to buy all those synths, and you run them through f**king mackie boards? that's women for ya

eeek! it's this sort of talk that answers the questions about why Keyboard mag is filled with guys every month. men are power hungry when it comes to audio engineering, cars, or newscasting and they will do anything to make sure that women dont get a fair share of the fun

i sense jealousy on behalf of those who scorn her studio. does anyone take into account that if you have a ton of great synths your studio is worth more because there is more for clients to take advantage of?

in general i do agree with the premise of this thread and was wondering if i was alone on the korg demos at namm when i posted in that korg thread and now it's left dangling. i have nothing against korg, love my ms2000R, and saw some well done demos at the show. but this year's namm was fairly uneventful in terms of cutting edge performance gear for people on a budget.

no one has still addressed making a sampler that plays back loops or one hits, and can ALSO sample incoming audio on the fly. like a roland MC-09 but better. i havent seen any beatboxes announced this year. i am disappointed because all these hardware companies think that us budget musicians just want audio interfaces or audio interface/keyboard hybrids if we are to do anything interesting now. we all have our I/O cards, we've had them for years since the Audiophile 2496 came out, and i think most of us are looking for interesting hardware now.

[The Chase]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Richard Devine uses a NEKO for live gigs.

[_oswald]

He uses one of them while naked? Damn that's hot!

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

Hey, if I had that kind of money, then I'd probably buy 10 times as much gear. If that means that I'm an uncreative snob, then so be it.

And if I had tons of money, I would buy an Oasys. It wouldn't be my first choice for a synth, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy it if I was loaded. I'd also buy a Fusion. Why not, right?

Though I'm not sure that I'd stock every revision of the Nord Lead ever made... I will admit that's a bit much. Though I'd certainly have at least one if I was rich.

And seriously, does it matter how she spends her copious amounts of money? At least she's not using the money to fund terrorism, or making snuff films or something. I mean, there are worse things in this world than a studio full of synths.

[pooshka]

And seriously, does it matter how she spends her copious amounts of money? At least she's not using the money to fund terrorism, or making snuff films or something. I mean, there are worse things in this world than a studio full of synths.

exactly - I don't see what's wrong with anyone legally purchasing & owning whatever they want which doesn't harm anyone else - I mean... what exactly has she done wrong? i mean it's either case of

a) she owns stuff (or have quantity of stuff to the level) that people don't want/need because it's surplus to requirement for them

or

b)she owns stuff that some people can't afford

I personally don't see anything wrong with a or b. i think people who diss her are just big meanies. :p

And no, I don't think she is happy or very creative.

how can you claim something like this while

a) you don't even know the person

b) you haven't even heard her music

[Forever Sun]

And no, I don't think she is happy or very creative.

how can you claim something like this while

a) you don't even know the person

b) you haven't even heard her music

Invitia didn't claim anything, he ( are you a he ?)
merely 'thought' it. Spot the difference.

Anyway, he's post makes perfect sense.
For example look at your favourite creative electronic musicians, see if they keep on buying gear endlessly. Those I know, surround themselfs with a few carefully chosen bits and pieces and say 'no more gear, thank you very much' .

And to make it clear, you are also correct,Pooshka, that there is nothing intristically wrong with buying so much gear.
Who cares. Anyway, if she was a man, would everyone say that he's got all this gear to make up for his small penis ???

[Forever Sun]

I checked out the NAMM promo videos for both the new Alesis Fusion and Korg OASYS, and I wonder if the target market are only people doing television work. They all just sound like generic commercial/TV filler to me, can't see why anyone would want it for anything but the most generic programming.

Am I on the mark, or is there something more I'm missing? Can't see these aimed at touring musicians as they are freaking huge. That Fusion looks like its about six feet long. I could see the benefit I guess if I were a Paul Schaeffer-type banging out the straight and narrow on late night TV, or if I had to soundtrack a mutual fund commercial, but honestly these do not to me seem aimed at making my own music (even if I were in the market financially for such a thing).

Anyone wish to rush to their defence and unravel the mystery for me?

I grew up on a hardware workstation (SY77) and I've got to say, those were my most creative years.
I suppose there will always be a need for a one box solution, and I think it's a good thing.

If I had the money, I'd buy Yamaha ES7 with all expansion boards without hesitation. Trition doesn't appeal to me as I need hardware track buttons ( a la ES7) with live solo/mute,rather then a touch screen that shows only eight tracks at a time. Touch screens are crap- more buttons and knobs+sliders !

I'v always dreamed of a one box solution that would give me a 32 track sequencer with 8/16 audio tracks, a proper FM synth, an acoustic modelled synth, and a fully featured sampler.ES7 isn't it, but it's close.
Combine a poly VL1 with a SY77, a Virus, EMU E4, and AKAI DPS24 (or similar). But then, I'm back in PC land.

and I wonder if the target market are only people doing television work

That will always be the case. Think of Yamaha CS80, or the monster that came before it. Only the top five people could afford these. In the early 90's you had a korg T3 for the masses and Korg T1 for the TV pros.
However , I do also agree with what DevonB said.

Sorry if I've repeted what has been said already. Have I?

[isdjan]

damn...the oasys is definitely one of the very few hardware synths i'd be willing to hand over some bucks for...and really, there haven't been many the past 15 yrs...

actually, only the neuron and the v-synth came to my mind.

and the sy99.

uhm yeah, waldorf wave, too. forgot to mention the k2000.

wavestation of course. why did i sell my wavestation.

and why does korg implement a tone wheel engine in this cutie? i'm *not* willing to pay for hammond sounds.

[shamann]

Sorry if I've repeted what has been said already. Have I?

Nope, a fine post.

I'm probably not as down on the megastations (I will be trademarking that posthaste) as I first seemed. It does strike me that the NAMM videos of these keyboards really don't flatter them much, and the sounds were all overly-glossy to my ears.

The high gloss was what led me to the association of TV work. That, and I just like saying hack work (good catch McLilith, I was waiting for someone to say something. Given that I do research hack work all day, music hack work might not be so bad.) I suppose TV hacks make for an excellent target audience, but it does seem odd that these companies often fly these keyboards as flagship product.

Cheers,
Steve

[vurt]

And if I had tons of money, I would buy an Oasis album. .

yeah youd have to have money to burn before wastin it on shite like that

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

Only if it came with a revolver, Vurt...

[geoslake]

Even if i would be given all those synths, i would take, but sell em immediatly.
I prefer having all on 1 pc, not having to deal with sysex for total recall etc. No thanks.