Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?

[Hink]

Some drummers are like that and some aren't, so find a good sound source.

Really? How does that tie in with your blanket statement...

What some people tend to not realise is regardless of how good your multisampled drum or guitar library is, and regardless of your programming skill, it's not going to sound as good as a real drummer.

Most drummers aren't Tony Williams. Most aren't Clyde Stubblefield. Most are shit.

and worse yet...they can't not bang the damn things...it's like primal or something, you're talking to them one second then they think they're Bohnam...if that isn't bad enough, even if a drummer isn't around and you crank up your ax the damn snare won't shut up...how could it get worse? Simple, another problem is hinks law drum activity..."anywhere a drumset sits for a while there will always be someone who is a wanna be air drummer who just has to give it a try"...

[nuffink]

I'm guessing your definition of good is "how close the drummer is to Clyde Stubblefield stylistically."

That conveniently misses that the first name I mentioned was Tony Williams.

[IIRs]

But it can go both ways. That 12 year-old kid might be using loops made by a field of virtuosi. Strings it together and states, "Please match this on all accords."

So you are using loops to cover up your own defiencies. Fine if you're happy, as you say its not an exam. Personally, I'm just doing it for my own satisfaction, and I get much more of that if I know I built the whole track from scratch, instead of prefab building blocks.

[Sascha Franck]

I just use whatever gets the job done. Sometimes loops do (in whatever reincarnation), sometimes they don't. Yes, it's indeed that easy.

[3*s]

I'm guessing your definition of good is "how close the drummer is to Clyde Stubblefield stylistically."

That conveniently misses that the first name I mentioned was Tony Williams.

Either way, the same thing applies.

[pHz]

do all graphics designers take their own photos and build their own fonts from scratch ???

do all painters mix and suspend their own pigments ???

slainte rob

[Jafo]

If a 12 year old kid comes up with the exact same song as you by stringing together pre-fab loops in 30 minutes, while you took two months to come up with the same end result by scratch, is anyone really going to give a damn at the end? Same song either way, but man I sure can hear your sweat on that mp3 over there.

Point is, if you do it all yourself you will probably end up with something unique that could not be done by a 12 year-old with a bunch of loops..

What about honest, human emotion and feeling? Sure, the person who recorded the original loop may have had it -- and loops can be used in many worthwhile ways -- but if all there is is the same two-bar loop over and over and over identically, what sort of tension and release can it express? It seems the only reaction you can conjure is an annoying stimulus that causes relief at its absence. Corrct me if I'm wrong -- and I do mean that, with examples, please, but in my world-view, musicianship matters.

[stefancrs]

In my mind In my mind In my mind In my mind In my mind In my mind

or

What's your one purpose on life? What's your one purpose on life? What's your one purpose on life? What's your one purpose on life? What's your one purpose on life?
To explode ofcourse.

etc.

[pHz]

how long is a loop ???

slainte rob

[shamann]

So you are using loops to cover up your own defiencies.

Not sure what this bit means, but moving on..

Fine if you're happy, as you say its not an exam. Personally, I'm just doing it for my own satisfaction, and I get much more of that if I know I built the whole track from scratch, instead of prefab building blocks.

Sure, that's fine for you as an artist, but how is that a justification of hierarchy? There's a difference in not using loops in your music and scoffing at the very idea.

[Sleek Month]

Personally, I have nothing against loops, but the problem is, when people use them, they have a tendency to stop thinking of rhythm as another instrument that needs as much dynamics and variation as any other part and just let a loop run over and over.

Which is to say, personally, I have nothing against loops, but the problem is, when people use them, they have a tendency to stop thinking of rhythm as another instrument that needs as much dynamics and variation as any other part and just let a loop run over and over.

Which is to say, personally, I have nothing against loops, but the problem is, when people use them, they have a tendency to stop thinking of rhythm as another instrument that needs as much dynamics and variation as any other part and just let a loop run over and over.

Which is to say, personally, I have nothing against loops, but the problem is, when people use them, they have a tendency to stop thinking of rhythm as another instrument that needs as much dynamics and variation as any other part and just let a loop run over and over.

Which is to say, personally, I have nothing against loops, but the problem is, when people use them, they have a tendency to stop thinking of rhythm as another instrument that needs as much dynamics and variation as any other part and just let a loop run over and over.

Which is to say, personally, I have nothing against loops, but the problem is, when people use them, they have a tendency to stop thinking of rhythm as another instrument that needs as much dynamics and variation as any other part and just let a loop run over and over.

...annoying, isn't it

-S.

[Sascha Franck]

...annoying, isn't it

No. Can we have another 128 bars of it?

[shamann]

...annoying, isn't it

No, I read through all iterations to see if something would change. I learned something when it did not.

[Hink]

If a 12 year old kid comes up with the exact same song as you by stringing together pre-fab loops in 30 minutes, while you took two months to come up with the same end result by scratch, is anyone really going to give a damn at the end? Same song either way, but man I sure can hear your sweat on that mp3 over there.

Point is, if you do it all yourself you will probably end up with something unique that could not be done by a 12 year-old with a bunch of loops..

What about honest, human emotion and feeling? Sure, the person who recorded the original loop may have had it -- and loops can be used in many worthwhile ways -- but if all there is is the same two-bar loop over and over and over identically, what sort of tension and release can it express? It seems the only reaction you can conjure is an annoying stimulus that causes relief at its absence. Corrct me if I'm wrong -- and I do mean that, with examples, please, but in my world-view, musicianship matters.

what about those like me...ultimately when people listen to my music they will be listening to my guitar playing. If I program a straight beat and render it to a loop and save it for the future, how is this different then playing the same drums over and over. FWIW I don't do this, every song I write out the drum parts because it's how I learned. But certainly if I used drum loops to back up my playing, my expression on guitar will be the primary focus of attention anyhow...

[IIRs]

...annoying, isn't it

Depends how many pills you've swallowed..