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ermi · Post by **ermi** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:56 pm

Hi!

Can you tell me which effect is used for making the voice like in Cher's "Believe"?

I'm not looking exactly for the Cher's one, but also for those used in cheap commercial songs or cartoon songs, you know...

I don't think it's just the pitch...

If there's a VST which can do this I'd really like to try it.

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 2:08 pm

Most say the "Cher" effect is AutoTune (yes that rounds the pitch to the nearest note) but an interview with the producer revealed that also a Vocoder was used on short snippets. Dig around in the following post for details:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... light=cher

I'm not aware of a free AutoTune VSTi, maybe Antares has a demo version? Hey, I'm not even aware of ANY free pitch shifter! I'm lucky I have both already in 19" hardware

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:59 pm

I think you'll find delaydots PitchWorx to be a free pitchshifter..

http://www.delaydots.com/xfreeware.html

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:03 pm

DirectX only. Drat!

scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:17 pm

you can use a directx plugin in a vst host using FFX4 from here

http://www.vb-audio.com/
pitchworks works in it under EXT.

pitchworks is fairly disappointing, though

scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:32 pm

by the way - if you search Download.com for "strip tool" you can get an excellent free channel strip plugin (EQ, gain, comp) from VB Audio.
The strip tool page is down on VB Audio site right now, but download.com will work.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:02 pm

If you produce a song with that effect I will be forced to slaughter innocent puppies.

ScarKord · Post by **ScarKord** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:10 pm

Here you go...

Recording Cher's 'Believe' (Sound on Sound)

... so it was a Korg VC10, a Drawmer DS404 gate, a Digitech Talker and a Nord Rack (as a carrier signal)...

Or was it ???

PeterL · Post by **PeterL** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:11 pm

Please (if possible), no more "Cher's Believe"-FX-songs.
Isn't the music market already full of this kind ?

ermi · Post by **ermi** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:34 pm

SJ_Digriz and PeterL: Actually, I thought about making a parody of those songs.

After 'Believe' there were really a lot of people using that, trying to be cool. I thought it was quite funny.

But I heard some songs in the '70 (Ann Peebles...) also used that effect, but not so intensively as Cher. It sounded quite nice too. (Maybe they 'used it' by mistake tho, you know what the tapes can do.

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intel · Post by **intel** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:43 pm

I was able to make "that" voice effect with a moog and a digitech talker years before the Cher song. I first heard it in a remix of a Razed In Black song. a talkbox and a synth with a mod wheel is all you need to approximate the effect.

acooke · Post by **acooke** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:47 pm

It's Autotune - the producers just don't want to imply in their interview that Cher can't sing. Polite, huh? (Also they probably didn't want to get their asses sued)

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:49 pm

I think they gave her a swift kick to the minge to get that vocal effect. If they didnt, they should.

fishbowl.tucson.az · Post by **fishbowl.tucson.az** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:55 pm

C00kie wrote:Most say the "Cher" effect is AutoTune (yes that rounds the pitch to the nearest note) but an interview with the producer revealed that also a Vocoder was used on short snippets.

The Producer may have said it was something else in an interview, but the consensus is that the Cher Effect is nothing but Autotune, and that the producer probably isn't in a position to really know in detail what was done in the mix.

"Producer" gets a reserved parking spot that's usually empty.

Modeler · Post by **Modeler** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:16 pm

I would just use a glass of water (or a beverage of similar viscosity).

'That' voice effect