i am contemplating wheter I chould save up for the UAD. Mainly because of the good things I've heard people say about the compressors and eq's.
But native vst's have come a long way I think. Is the UAD compressors (and eq's) really THAT much better than Sonalksis, Kjaerhus and Voxengo?
Is the UAD plugs really THAT much better?
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- KVRist
- 85 posts since 8 Jan, 2004 from Way behind
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRist
- 154 posts since 12 Feb, 2004 from Southern California
I depends on the source. I've never heard a better drum compressor than their 1176LN.
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- KVRist
- 181 posts since 22 Aug, 2003 from Olympus Mons
I do. Voxengos Crunchessor sounds equally good and can be much more fine tuned for drums. Also, commercial Kjaerhus Audio stuff and certainly some more (Ultrafunk, Waves, Voxengo) are equal. However, these won't give you more horsepower; also the basic sound of UAD is really good, warm and clear and useful for many styles.
And, something like Fairchild or Pultec isn't available native.
Richard
And, something like Fairchild or Pultec isn't available native.
Richard
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- KVRian
- 903 posts since 14 May, 2003
People tend to be a little less than objective when they have shelled out close to $900 for something, especially something they have had no opportunity to try out first. They may be excellent plugs, but do they fit into my sound style--who knows? Idon't but anything I can't test first, but that is just me. I would check out the Voxengo and PSP stuff before I bought anything. The principal sales pitch for farm cards is the reduction of CPU load, but if you have a powerful processor and lots of RAM, that is irrelevant.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Not so much better as different. Voxengo probably makes the best affordable EQs/Compressors. Maybe put Kjaerhus in that group. Waves/Sonalksis are expensive as hell but probably worth it. (there are more players in both catagories)
UAD gives a bonus of takeing the load off the CPU for about the same price range as the Waves/Sonalksis stuff. Plus, they have some plugs that aren't available in any other format. They just have their own sonic flavor.
The thing is that you will probably still want a tool out of each kit. So, in the long run you are gonna spend $$. None of them have everything. All of them have flavor the others lack.
But, if CPU isn't an issue and money is then I would start with Voxengo myself.
UAD gives a bonus of takeing the load off the CPU for about the same price range as the Waves/Sonalksis stuff. Plus, they have some plugs that aren't available in any other format. They just have their own sonic flavor.
The thing is that you will probably still want a tool out of each kit. So, in the long run you are gonna spend $$. None of them have everything. All of them have flavor the others lack.
But, if CPU isn't an issue and money is then I would start with Voxengo myself.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
Are there not any demoes of the proccessing?
I agree about owners who have shelled out on 'a' card as being non-objective!
I bought a Poco Element and if truth be known I don't see myself using the standard plug-ins unless I am desperately low on cpu cycles, for instance the poco reverbs are highly regarded but I would go for my Silverspike Reverb fist, the same can be said for the majority of the onboard plugs - this is where I differ, I think the VIRUS synth is hard to beat for certain sounds and I would say thet I turn to this before native analogue type synths.
I think if the UAD card had a killer synth it could make all the difference - I have heard very good things about the UAD compressors but I am skeptical because I have rarely heard an ANALOGUE compressor (and I have had a few) that made me think WOW!
In fact the highly regarded Kjaehaus compressor did nothing for me until I drove it into MEGA overload - at which point it started to sound useable
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Flipper.
Are there not any demoes of the proccessing?
I agree about owners who have shelled out on 'a' card as being non-objective!
I bought a Poco Element and if truth be known I don't see myself using the standard plug-ins unless I am desperately low on cpu cycles, for instance the poco reverbs are highly regarded but I would go for my Silverspike Reverb fist, the same can be said for the majority of the onboard plugs - this is where I differ, I think the VIRUS synth is hard to beat for certain sounds and I would say thet I turn to this before native analogue type synths.
I think if the UAD card had a killer synth it could make all the difference - I have heard very good things about the UAD compressors but I am skeptical because I have rarely heard an ANALOGUE compressor (and I have had a few) that made me think WOW!
In fact the highly regarded Kjaehaus compressor did nothing for me until I drove it into MEGA overload - at which point it started to sound useable
.Flipper.
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- KVRian
- 568 posts since 17 Dec, 2003 from Under the Overtones
Its hardware, go to your local audio pro store and test them out.bugs wrote:People tend to be a little less than objective when they have shelled out close to $900 for something, especially something they have had no opportunity to try out first. They may be excellent plugs, but do they fit into my sound style--who knows? Idon't but anything I can't test first, but that is just me.
and McDsp, Tritone, Sonalksis, Waves, URS and Algorithmixbugs wrote: I would check out the Voxengo and PSP stuff before I bought anything.
Not really true, first look at TC reverbs (read VSS3), UAD Fairchild... there are no equivalent in the "native" market. Second, the dsp cards are build for audio processing, not a general data mangler.bugs wrote: The principal sales pitch for farm cards is the reduction of CPU load, but if you have a powerful processor and lots of RAM, that is irrelevant.
/ Lex
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 23 Jul, 2001 from Jersey Is Where America's At
Original Flipper says:
Ha, I love the GCO-1 on just about everything (it's probably the only compressor I use at this point), but your right, it really excels when set to "abuse". I have one setting with infinite gain reduction where the threshold is set to like -30dbs that just does that great super compressed Neurtral Milk Hotel thing to an acoustic guitar track. I couldn't never get that particular sound jiving the same way with other VST compressors.In fact the highly regarded Kjaehaus compressor did nothing for me until I drove it into MEGA overload - at which point it started to sound useable
I'm sorry this post wasn't about techno.
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- KVRian
- 1119 posts since 29 Jun, 2004 from within you without you
Yes.
The Fairchild, LA2A, EMT Plate and Pultec EQ are magical. Just a huge, beautiful and easy to tweak sound.
Put it this way, I had one a year ago that I sold because my monitors were shit and I couldn't hear or feel the sound. I bought another a month ago and blew chowder on my monitor. What a religious experience. Got a second card on the way.
The only native fx I use anymore are the Voxengo AnalogFlux suite (my favorite), Gliss EQ, Sonalksis bundle and SIR.
The Fairchild, LA2A, EMT Plate and Pultec EQ are magical. Just a huge, beautiful and easy to tweak sound.
Put it this way, I had one a year ago that I sold because my monitors were shit and I couldn't hear or feel the sound. I bought another a month ago and blew chowder on my monitor. What a religious experience. Got a second card on the way.
The only native fx I use anymore are the Voxengo AnalogFlux suite (my favorite), Gliss EQ, Sonalksis bundle and SIR.
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- KVRAF
- 25031 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
mac only and most of it also ProTools only...lex_strooder wrote: and McDsp
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- KVRAF
- 25031 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
UAD is cheaper than Voxengo and Kjaerhus...SJ_Digriz wrote:
UAD gives a bonus of takeing the load off the CPU for about the same price range as the Waves/Sonalksis stuff.
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
I remember "JeffSanders" post - where you stated you found that your mix just sounded 'mushy' or something - goes to show what decent monitors do.
If it wasn't such a drag I think I would have been happier using my ex Yamaha RM500 reverb for this type of treatment, but external hardware became a mega drag once I finally succumbed to the pleasures of total recall and integration.
Flipper.
I remember "JeffSanders" post - where you stated you found that your mix just sounded 'mushy' or something - goes to show what decent monitors do.
If it wasn't such a drag I think I would have been happier using my ex Yamaha RM500 reverb for this type of treatment, but external hardware became a mega drag once I finally succumbed to the pleasures of total recall and integration.
Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Not if you count buying the card. The individual plugs are aroundish the same price. But the cheapest card is $400. Then you have to buy the good plugs at $150 to $200 each.jens wrote:UAD is cheaper than Voxengo and Kjaerhus...SJ_Digriz wrote:
UAD gives a bonus of takeing the load off the CPU for about the same price range as the Waves/Sonalksis stuff.
I'm not complaining, I own 2 UADs. Just that I've spent about $1500 on the 2 cards and the plugs. You can get a lot of Voxengo for that. If it was one card it would be around $1100. You can still get a boat load of Vox/Kl for that.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer