Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?

[Ackelito]

"but it seems to work for me"

thats the sentence we been looking for!

[soulkraka]

IMO music is being written by just one (or two) people in a spare room now more than any time in the recent past.

Take a look at any rock or jazz band in the last 80 years and you'll that there were at least several people to contribute and edit ideas. The Beatles had four guys and many say that it took a fifth element(george martin) to catapult them to (artistic) success.

Anyways, my point is that being a lone composer I intend to take full advantage of any and all technology to achieve the sound I'm after. Do I ever feel guilty, or less of a musician, because I took a beat from a sample CD? NO

[Hink]

I wonder if this thread will go back to the begining...

[Sascha Franck]

I think that by this post and your signature, you deeply underestimate originallity of people (particularly KVRians) today. I have started a good dozen of seemingly retarded topics like that, including 2 trance lead ones and only have gotton awesome results, because KVRians are awesome.

In other news, I'm going to make a song with very stereotypical trance leads, goa bass, and a housey snare just so another one of these songs can be around to bother you (and yes, I'll throw some loops in there for the occasion).

Don't get me wrong.
I don't even f**king CLAIM to sound or do anything original.
I'm using loops.
I'm using sounds that have been used for decades.
I´'m using chord and rhythm patterns older than myself.
I'm playing the same old shitty scales on the guitar everybody is playing. In standard tuning even...

All I want to do is to put these to good use. Either for me or for someone else. Whatever that means, it simply doesn't matter.

It just somewhat strikes me that people are claiming things such as "you're not doing anything original in case you're using loops", but when I'm listening to their music it's stuffed with stereotypes. Plus you find them asking questions about "how to get this sound", "which chord to play here", "how to program this groove" and so on.
All this is just the same as using loops.

As said above, I've got no problems with any of those - but people should f**king stop to claim "loops are not original" or "those hoover stabs are boring" - unless they're really proving the difference by sounding original. Which 99.9% of musicians (myself included) don't do.

[The Chase]

I think that by this post and your signature, you deeply underestimate originallity of people (particularly KVRians) today. I have started a good dozen of seemingly retarded topics like that, including 2 trance lead ones and only have gotton awesome results, because KVRians are awesome.

In other news, I'm going to make a song with very stereotypical trance leads, goa bass, and a housey snare just so another one of these songs can be around to bother you (and yes, I'll throw some loops in there for the occasion).

Don't get me wrong.
I don't even f**king CLAIM to sound or do anything original.
I'm using loops.
I'm using sounds that have been used for decades.
I´'m using chord and rhythm patterns older than myself.
I'm playing the same old shitty scales on the guitar everybody is playing. In standard tuning even...

All I want to do is to put these to good use. Either for me or for someone else. Whatever that means, it simply doesn't matter.

It just somewhat strikes me that people are claiming things such as "you're not doing anything original in case you're using loops", but when I'm listening to their music it's stuffed with stereotypes. Plus you find them asking questions about "how to get this sound", "which chord to play here", "how to program this groove" and so on.
All this is just the same as using loops.

As said above, I've got no problems with any of those - but people should f**king stop to claim "loops are not original" or "those hoover stabs are boring" - unless they're really proving the difference by sounding original. Which 99.9% of musicians (myself included) don't do.

Oi I see now. Sorry for the snappy retort (I came home a bit angry today )

[herodotus]

I find it interesting that no one seems to look at using loops as a form of collaboration.

Why is it that when four people who can't stand each other use each other to advance their careers they are a "Band", and therefore legit, while those who use loops are "cheating"?

I have been in quite a few bands over the years, and I think that the whole "band mentality" is highly overrated. Why someone should be stuck with whatever talent their locality offers, instead of using ALL the resources at their disposal is beyond me. "No, sorry, I can't use your royalty free loops, but I am going to find a local musician who can kind of do the same thing, and we are gonna be a BAND. I don't know where we can practice because I don't have a car and I live in an apartment, but integrity requires this, I guess"

WHY? I mean if that makes you happy, cool, but why does it HAVE to be done that way???

My name is John. Among other things I play the drums.

I made some loops of my drumming.

They are here
Lets jam.

[intel]

My name is John. Among other things I play the drums.

I made some loops of my drumming.

They are here
Lets jam.

Hi, John. My name is John, also. I have downloaded your loops and will gladly jam with you.

[ew]

My name is John. Among other things I play the drums.

I made some loops of my drumming.

They are here
Lets jam.

Hi, John. My name is John, also. I have downloaded your loops and will gladly jam with you.

I'd run if I were you, John #1...
Good evening, Mr. Ingram...
ew

[intel]

I'd run if I were you, John #1...
Good evening, Mr. Ingram...
ew

[ew]

I'd run if I were you, John #1...
Good evening, Mr. Ingram...
ew

You squinting at me, boy?




ew

[herodotus]

I'd run if I were you, John #1...

Virtual running.....Hmmmmm.

[intel]

You squinting at me, boy?

that's a glare, old man. you've been warned.

[ew]

Sorry, John...it won't happen again



Or, at least not for five minutes or so
ew

[intel]

you've hijacked this thread with your antics!

[AndrewSimon]

I think if you use loops in a creative way people will like the end result.
If you just snap loops together or you let the loops take over your creative control it will show up in the end result and most people will not like it.

When I write "my songs" I never use loops because it's all in my head and I can never find the loop that matches my ideas.

On the other hand when I just create stuff for fun I use loops to "start something" and get inspiration.

So is using Stylus RMX considered using loops or is it exempt since you can mangle it in so many ways so easily?