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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:58 pm

vurt: Right on.

"Arms and the Man," hm?

opiadream · Post by **opiadream** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:02 pm

Oh Melody where have you gone...?
speak for yourself

oldevil · Post by **oldevil** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:09 pm

i went to school with Melody; she's gone back to New Jersey.

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rockin1 · Post by **rockin1** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:53 pm

I hope nobody is misinterpreting my comments. I don't think a battle is necessary at all. I enjoy both styles very much. I'm just trying to point out what I think is a lack of understanding about classical music. There are many great things that were discovered by classical composers through many years of study and practice which are not being acknowledged. Many of these techniques could be used effectively in electronic music even without the things you may not want to include (harmony, melody, rhythm, whatever) as a lot of it can be generalized to deep line and structure and reapplied to music with any kind of surface sound and technique. Give it a chance sometime and you might be surprised at how many things you can learn - but you have to take the time to really try to understand, not just listen to the pretty melody and chords on the surface. How is the theme used throughout the piece? How does one section relate to another? What kinds of transitions are used? How are contrast and complement used? How does the density of sound and articulation affect the way we hear various rhythms, phrases, etc.? All of these and many more are things you can learn an enormous amount about by studying classical music. They can be applied in your own music even if you're doing electronic, not classical. Most importantly, if you haven't considered these things and more you can't claim to truly understand what is going on in classical music...

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:54 pm

So, what are people's definitions of melody, harmony, and rhythm, then?

Reading through this I get the distinct impression that some folk think rhythm just means drums, melody just means a hummable tune, and harmony means a chord/scale. Would be helpful if people could define their terms.

Same thing happened in the loop thread. For some, loops only seemed to mean recorded drum phrases. Bringing about some gibberish about the official length of a loop.

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:56 pm

the official length of a loop is 2

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:58 pm

here we go...

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:02 pm

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:03 pm

Harmony, Melody, Rhapsody, Symphony... and Destiny???

Screwed that one up, dintcha Gerry?

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:23 pm

she was going to be called "rhythm" but this was considered to be rather risqué...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:28 pm

At least it wasn't 'Syncopation'.

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:29 pm

ooh là là!!!

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:50 pm

fractalism wrote:Well, firstly, I must say, that to me, electronic sounds are much more complex and emotive than classical music...so it was more of a personal reference...but really, the kinds of mathematical and hyper complex structures are no dif. from those of electronica...it's easier to understand classical tho'

Easier to understand? Care to explain the Tristan chord to me?

Anyway, I note that you're not giving any proof for your statements. It's your right to find electronic music more emotive, that's just taste. As soon as you start talking about complexity it would be nice if you offered some sort of proof.

Take a bunch of ppl (assuming that they have never heard any music in their life, impossible but wtf?) and play them a piece of classical and a piece of electronica and you'd surley get the response that the classical music is easier to listen to...of cource, it's all a matter of what those specifical tunes are...but I think you'd agree no?

That's just a matter of familiarity, not? Someone who's grown up with pop music finds classical hard to listen to. Does that imply anything about complexity?

not saying that I'm any kind of expert on classical composition, but the kinds of arrengements possible with electronica are faaaaaar out of reach with any classical composition...therefore I draw the conclusion that electronica is more advanced than many other types of music.

Still no proof.

Tell me what's so simple in classical music and what is so complex in electronica? When is the last time you wrote something that approached the complexity of a Bach fugue? Ever had 4 themes playing against each other?

When did you write textures denser than Mahler? Chord progressions stranger than Bruckner/Wagner/any or those romantic guys? Single note stuff more complex than Chopin/Liszt/Alkan?

Waiting...

V.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:53 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:Harmony, Melody, Rhapsody, Symphony... and Destiny???

Screwed that one up, dintcha Gerry?

she was going to be called atonal but it was too similar to another word for tv at that time in history.