Sytrus vs Rhino [6 years dead thread bumped; go to page 21]

[DavenH]

100% awesome stuff. Just when I thought I couldn't get any less sleep.

[smart]

Yeah, I've got to say this is a really nice update. Great new filters, reverb, editor and more.

Why chocolate and vanilla though? Shouldn't they have been Orange, Lemon, and Lime?

[opiadream]

JMC, the timing of this, for the group buy couldn't be better!

the timing of this gauranteed inflammatory sytrus vs 'place synth name here' couldn't be better either
what with a group buy going on and all

[elv]

The Gb is what got me thinking about this

[JMC]

the timing of this gauranteed inflammatory sytrus vs 'place synth name here' couldn't be better either what with a group buy going on and all

It's the oposite actually : We had the GB planned for a while but the "Sytrus vs XYZ" & "The GB phenomenen" threads made us speed up things a little.

Anyway : I hope you enjoy the synth.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[jzero]

Ok call me stupid but what is a difference between my bundled with Producer Edition and that online????? As far as i can see they are same!

This one still buggin me. When i was ordering my upgrade from fruity loops to producer edition they offer me Sytrus. But i allready have it....So ????

I believe the included version is:
A) a demo plugin that will be removed from your project when you exit
B) not the 1.5 version with the reverb and the enhanced additive editor and filters

[MickGael]

In an earlier post, I expressed lukewarm feelings about Sytrus - preferring the sound of Rhino.

My impressions were based on my experience with earlier versions. But after downloading version 1.5 I have to say that I am now quite impressed.

There is, however, one thing that drives me to distraction: the output on almost every sound of WAY too hot. I have to set the levels by hand for most presets to avoid overloading my RME/Cardbus system. The global imput level I am using works fine for all my other VSTi - but Sytrus is just so much louder (a problem z3ta+ also has, I must say).

A plea to the developers:

Please consider adopting the method that Wusikstation uses: ability to set global volume for the synth in 3 levels. Effectively, soft, moderate and loud. This is brilliant usability, and insanely handy.

[tony tony chopper]

the output on almost every sound of WAY too hot

Presets have been made for the FL version, which is a little softer by default (at least, than the VSTi in FL itself). They were made so that you can usually hold a chord and not clip.

That said:
-the loudness of a VSTi only matters when the host is not processing any gain on them. Some hosts, like Orion, makes them very loud, but that's the same problem with all VSTi's then

-it's normally just a matter of playing with a mixer track level once

[DMuzik]

Please consider adopting the method that Wusikstation uses: ability to set global volume for the synth in 3 levels. Effectively, soft, moderate and loud. This is brilliant usability, and insanely handy.

That´s a great idea. I got pretty fed up about having to lower the volume on every single preset when browsing through them in Cubase SX 3.

[MickGael]

Please consider adopting the method that Wusikstation uses: ability to set global volume for the synth in 3 levels. Effectively, soft, moderate and loud. This is brilliant usability, and insanely handy.

That´s a great idea. I got pretty fed up about having to lower the volume on every single preset when browsing through them in Cubase SX 3.

Yea, WilliamK is way ahead of thew pack on improving usability.

I don't own Sytrus (yet, any way, but I am tempted!) so I don't feel I have the leverage to contact the developers.

But still...having to adjust the volume for almost every preset would get tired REALLY fast.

Interesting to note that I am not the only one: http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5407

[tony tony chopper]

But still...having to adjust the volume for almost every preset would get tired REALLY fast.

Again, what prevents you to adjust the mixer's level (the one to which your Sytrus is routed)?

Btw you have to realize that it's the user's own fault if some hosts set a very high default gain on everything. 'louder is better' for quite a lot of people, and marketing makes that if people want loud, they get loud (and if you try to educate them about clipping, they just switch to another app that's louder).
So far I managed to keep FL away from that, let's cross fingers.

[x_bruce]

First disclaimer: I like FruityLoops and use it. I also will be reviewing it soon, including Sytrus

Second disclaimer: I don't think Gol likes me much and here's why....

When Sytrus came out my first thought was, hey, he nicked an awful lot of Rhino's features. Gol states this isn't so, it was his own creation so I'll leave it at that.

However, he also nicked a good portion of FM-7.

At $50 it's an attractive price. I like Sytrus, it is a good sounding moderate CPU using synth. I didn't like it at $179, especially as Rhino 2 was out and to my tastes was vastly more flexible although Gol will disagree. So do others, obviously.

At $50 you can't go wrong with it. But, if you are buying it as a replacement for Rhino 2, much as I like Sytrus and use it frequently, it is not Rhino 2 by a long shot. It's closer to FM7 in execution and and sound.

As previously noted Daniel's programs and libraries featuring sample and preset data are excellent and inexpensive, especially when you get killer moog, oberhiem and stylized patch libraries that are useful and at a professional level.

Not that you can't make professional leve creations out of Sytrus, you most certainly can, but again, speaking for myself, Rhino 2 inspires me and has for the years it's been out.

At $50 Sytrus is a no-brainer, especially if you'e a fruityloops user and don't already have it.

[tony tony chopper]

When Sytrus came out my first thought was, hey, he nicked an awful lot of Rhino's features

I DID copy a lot from.. FM7. Then it appeared to have features that FM7 didn't have, but Rhino had - it can only mean that Rhino was inspired by FM7 as well, and the added features were a natural evolution to it (read: things that FM7 should have had).

Now, while the feature sets are a bit similar, it's the direction of preset-making that's totally different. Sytrus chose the synthesis way.

[x_bruce]

lol!

Rhino does synthesis too. It's not a sample playback synth, those samples are interpolated to waveforms. Rhino has one of the most comprehensive synth engines I've seen, where you two really differ is on the implementation of FM which is stronger in Sytrus because you intentionally went that direction. I agree with you.

I think both synths belong in any well developed synth library. Maybe when you see the review (and btw, I've got a Sytrus review up here too) you'll accept I take your creation seriously.

Did you read the part about me liking and recommending Sytrus?

[serge]

... and to my tastes was vastly more flexible ...

Hey x_bruce, can you elaborate on this please?

Cheers!
serge