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popsych · Post by **popsych** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:18 am

A few days ago i had posted a topic titled :

"Samplitude my a**. Gimme a solution . . .?", in which i was looking for a DAW to do my mixes on.

My candidates were : Audition 1.5, Samplitude Classic, Tracktion 1.6, Cubase SX3, Nuendo 3, SAWstudio and Pro-Tools LE. I realise that prices are not uniform, and that they are different kinds of apps but they all can effectively do what I wanted.

After having tried all of them I will be buying 2 new items for my studio - Adobe Audition 1.5 in place of wavelab, and Samplitude V8 Professional.

Samplitude is one big m**** f******* huge bottomless program with everything i need for mixing (Full PDC, 32bit signal path, Object concept and many more). It's sound is the best, bar sawstudio, but they it is both multitracker and wave editor saves quite a bit back and forth between my host and WL (now audition), the plugins are EXCELLENT- better than Logics which are considered the best - and on par with the good 3rd party solutions. It has a logically laid out mixer which is skinnable ( in the active sense 2 - customise layout) and it has SSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many tools.

I

it so much that i'm shelling out for the Professional edition over my originally intended classic and rest assured if i had the $$$$$$$ i would buy Sequoia. This thing is really underrated for NO good reason. Just give it a go.

hjack · Post by **hjack** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:31 am

looks quite nice byitself and your saying its skinable?
nice feature.

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:29 am

There's one really good reason for it to be underrated: MIDI. It has only recently been added, and the current implementation is clunky, to say the least. I realize that's not what it's really meant for, but for me, the bad integration of VSTi's nullifies any of the advantages of Samplitude.

Kraznet · Post by **Kraznet** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:20 am

Hi Popsych !

Glad to hear that you've gone for Samplitude . My copy arrived 3 days ago

I joined the Samplitude user forum and posted a question which was answered by both the Developer and the Product specialist . Quite a change from the offhand treatment given by Emagic in the past.This is a evolving program so I feel I have made the right decision .

Warmonger wrote :

There's one really good reason for it to be underrated: MIDI. It has only recently been added, and the current implementation is clunky, to say the least. I realize that's not what it's really meant for, but for me, the bad integration of VSTi's nullifies any of the advantages of Samplitude.

I agree that the midi side isn't as well developed -although the drum editor is an amazing piece or work for a first release . I noticed that the midi developer is active in the forums (there's a special forum for midi )and he seems very open to suggestions for future improvements .Personally I find the VSTi implementation very good you can even record midi and audio on the same track and crossfade between the two .

Kraznet

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:24 am

Why do people always say "it sounds better"? (just curious). How can one app sound better than another? - surely a 32 bit wav is a 32 bit wav no matter what programme recorded it (in the digital world annyway)?

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:27 am

High end DAWS dont have issues with sound quality. There is no "best" They all sound pretty much the same. 3D audio made a DAW summing CD testing DAWS and that was the conclusion :

http://www.3daudioinc.com/cgi-bin/ultim ... forum&f=19

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:46 am

UltraJv wrote:High end DAWS dont have issues with sound quality. There is no "best" They all sound pretty much the same. 3D audio made a DAW summing CD testing DAWS and that was the conclusion :

http://www.3daudioinc.com/cgi-bin/ultim ... forum&f=19

the earth is full of twats and fools...

Forever Sun · Post by **Forever Sun** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:27 pm

popsych wrote:

After having tried all of them I will be buying 2 new items for my studio - Adobe Audition 1.5 in place of wavelab, and Samplitude V8 Professional.

If you're getting Sam 8 Pro why Audition as well ?
Seems you're going to get the same features twice, except Sam does so much more.

Samplitude is underrated, or rather, forgotten.
I agree about midi, it is a bit clunky.One thing that constantly amazes me is the Object Editing feature. I can't imagine people not being impressed with this. For mixing and editing it's a god send.

They should really sort out the midi side once and for all, make it transparent ( you get sesoned musos not able to get a VSTi going in Samp.) and it's a winner.

mauseoleum · Post by **mauseoleum** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:11 pm

you're getting Sam 8 Pro why Audition as well ?

copy protection?

seriously though I haven't checked on samp since 6 which I used, but it (the 6) had superior sound. It's no bullshit.

midi works o.k.?
it will in v.9 ... no prob

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:26 pm

So why does stuff sound better? I mean I read on another site someone saying SX/Nuendo sound best because they have this "true tape" technology (not sure what that meant either). I just don't see how one app can sound that much better if it's the same sort of wav files - except for if dithering or other treatments are required. I'm always reading that SAWstudio sounds better too. Is this all just bs or people being biased in favour of what they own or is there an objective reason why?

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:27 pm

Samplitude does not have superior sound, read the article in my post above. Its a test 3D audio did on all DAWs with some very high end gear.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:30 pm

Which one? - there's 2 pages of articles.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:33 pm

You could jump in here:

http://www.3daudioinc.com/cgi-bin/ultim ... 9&t=000017

Or start at the top......

They are all reactions to the CD which was produced with wavs on it from various DAWs

opiadream · Post by **opiadream** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:40 pm

I just don't get it when threads like this get started
sorry,maybe I'm just a bitch but I don't get it.

I've tried a few different sequencers and audio editors,made my decisions,and bought what I wanted.
during all that I never had the desire to start a thread announcing to the world what I did or what I decided on
it never occured to me to urge people to 'give it a go' after buying something either.
I guess I always figured other people would demo what they wanted to demo,and make their choices based on their own experience

sorry
yea I guess I am a bitch for writing/asking this
it's one of those things I've always wondered about though.

danVe · Post by **danVe** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:43 pm

i thought i remembered hearing that the cd used a pretty old version of samplitude....

as far as why it sounds better,, the reason i have heard is because it uses fixed point math, the same sort most hardware digital mixers use. afaik all other daw's aside from sawstudio still sum with floating point.

SAMPLITUDE RULES (DAW Summing)