Sorry, didn't realize I had an obligation.xoxos wrote:okay, you win, and you deserve it!JohnVulich wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
How much more supportive of big media and commercial crap can you get.
you're right, man, and you know it! i got pages and pages full of nothing but hiphop, because that's what i do. it's my category.
(hmm.. 3 years here.. never listened to one of my tunes or used one of my plug-ins..)
sit & spin, dude.
Who call a song a "beat"
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Xoxos ...Indeed ... in the state of mind i'm in i'm not 100% sure whether or not a portion of what your speaking (typing) is metaphor. Language is a virus, words have power, the ability to control peoples emotional response to words & their very understanding of what words mean is a wmd for sure - weapon of mass delusion. Back to orwell - eastania (or whatever that contending state was called) is our enemy - they have always been our enemy, no their our friend - they have always been our friend. new definitions of words/concepts like 'torture' are prophylactics for policy. How relevantis it that (arguably) the most important diisident of our time (chomsky) started out as a professor of linguistics?
Bugger it incoherent bed time. u r an interesting chap, and we live in interesting times (isn't that a chinese curse?)
Bugger it incoherent bed time. u r an interesting chap, and we live in interesting times (isn't that a chinese curse?)
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Doubleplusgood!diverdee wrote:Xoxos ...Indeed ... in the state of mind i'm in i'm not 100% sure whether or not a portion of what your speaking (typing) is metaphor. Language is a virus, words have power, the ability to control peoples emotional response to words & their very understanding of what words mean is a wmd for sure - weapon of mass delusion. Back to orwell - eastania (or whatever that contending state was called) is our enemy - they have always been our enemy, no their our friend - they have always been our friend. new definitions of words/concepts like 'torture' are prophylactics for policy. How relevantis it that (arguably) the most important diisident of our time (chomsky) started out as a professor of linguistics?
Bugger it incoherent bed time. u r an interesting chap, and we live in interesting times (isn't that a chinese curse?)

The amazing thing, IMO, about Orwell and 1984 is how often people refer to it as a prophetic book or a diatribe against fascism and totalitarianism. I beleive that, as many Sci-Fi and Fantasy authors have done, he was writing an allegory about his own time and government (all governments for that matter). The fact that people are so blind to this only reafirms the thesis of his book...
Excerpt From: Ministry of Information: Govt's new Burns Unit
Firstly, the wartime British Minister of Information was Churchill's close confidant, Irishman Brendan Bracken. The British wartime "information" unit kept a close watch over the BBC, with whom author George Orwell was employed during the war. It was Orwell's experiences at this time that laid the foundation for his most famous novel, 1984. (Plus his wife's experiences at the wartime Ministry of Food.)
Brendan Bracken was an enthusiastic supporter of Basic English, an academic fad which appeared in 1984 as NewSpeak. In fact, Orwell's Ministry of Truth was Bracken's Ministry of Information. And, if it's not now obvious, Brendan Bracken (known as BB) was the template for Orwell's "Big Brother".
1984, completed in 1948 was not a book about the future. It was a biting social commentary about contemporary Britain, and critique of the utopian (dystopian for Orwell) views of some of the important intellectuals and officials who were around at that time.
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perhaps only to yourselfJohnVulich wrote: Sorry, didn't realize I had an obligation.
"hahahahahahaha" or something.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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yeah, that whole tyrant thing is jsut so fictional and really not at all pertinent to current u.s. circumstance. thoughtful there. let's lampoon it all away hahahaJohnVulich wrote: Doubleplusgood!
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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how about "but you* won't notice" ?pHz wrote:tell us something we DONT know rurik ...xoxos wrote:things are going to get real bad for humans
(but surely we make hay while the sun shines ??? )
slainterob
*as in 'one'
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"black language is music" thread, off topic forum, mebbe 2 days back :p an attempting to create a permittance, yea perhaps even an appreciation of things unregimented (unholy!)diverdee wrote:we live in interesting times (isn't that a chinese curse?)
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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Fair enough.xoxos wrote:perhaps only to yourselfJohnVulich wrote: Sorry, didn't realize I had an obligation.to have a familiarity with the facts before you make a judgement.
"hahahahahahaha" or something.
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i am glad that you would not make the same expression as sepheritoh.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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Re-read my 1984 post... I added some other interesting info. The irony is that I'm being sarcastic about the current US situation.xoxos wrote:yeah, that whole tyrant thing is jsut so fictional and really not at all pertinent to current u.s. circumstance. thoughtful there. let's lampoon it all away hahahaJohnVulich wrote: Doubleplusgood!
Stop being such a f**king hypocrite man. You ask me to refrain form snap judgements but you seem to feel entitled to dole them out fast and furious!
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it's just a shame that these idle scribbles on a noospheric medium reflect a real world where real people have real opinions about what is right and therefore acceptable and therefore exclusory to the remainder, being "unacceptable."ericj23 wrote:this is a great quote
I used to think their was a cabel of right wing business men who were trying to rule the world .....
then i met some of them
might say it's subtle, i suppose. "doesn't really seem a big deal from here.." beats me, it's just a real bad situation that's wrapped up tightly.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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so now i'm a f**king hypocrite because you went back and added info to your post that wasn't there before.JohnVulich wrote: Stop being such a f**king hypocrite man. You ask me to refrain form snap judgements but you seem to be entitled to dole them out fast and furious!
how the hell was i supposed to take a big bold 'doubleplusgood' and bob-like poster?
as long as i get to be the f**king hypocrite and you get to be right..
there it is again..
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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I must have been adding it while you where writing your jab at me and not afterwards. I just happen to remember something, I read about Orwell, that I thought diverdee would find interesting. Either way with such a minor comment as adding "doubleplusgood" to the post you really have no idea what my point of view is. It's kind of existential now isn't it? You choose to find a negative way to percieve it. Once again you make an assumption based on bias and prejudice.xoxos wrote:so now i'm a f**king hypocrite because you went back and added info to your post that wasn't there before.JohnVulich wrote: Stop being such a f**king hypocrite man. You ask me to refrain form snap judgements but you seem to be entitled to dole them out fast and furious!
how the hell was i supposed to take a big bold 'doubleplusgood' and bob-like poster?
as long as i get to be the f**king hypocrite and you get to be right..
there it is again..