Sytrus vs Rhino [6 years dead thread bumped; go to page 21]

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You also left out the additive stuff for both
mmh indeed, well now it's in favor of sytrus (1.5) with 128 harmonics (you can't do a bright saw with just 64) and more editing features on them
and the sample import and the preset wavetables on Rhino.


yes but it was obvious after a whole debate about it
[edit: and filters have -36db mode]
my mistake, it's indeed 12 to 36dB for both (although sytrus also have 2 extra combo's for 24 & 36)

can Rhino route a filter to another btw? Because theorically you could do a 108dB filter using all 3 (although I once tried, and after 36dB it doesn't really make much difference)
On Sytrus, how do you toggle Plucked mode?
each oscillator has a plucked checkbox
And what use is the click remover?
when the oscillator starts, it removes clicks without messing up the transient too much, unlike what a little envelope attack would do. Quite handy when you have a free-running oscillator.


I think Rhino can do velocity to envelope length, which Sytrus currently doesn't have.


true

btw usually synthesizers feature a velocity to envelope attack, which is handy to smooth up the attack transient at lower velocities. Sytrus has a knob made just for that, which works great for piano's & bells.
Rhino also has multi-point envelopes
yes obviously (forgot to add it)

Thanks. I see it now.
give a try at 'plucked - magnetic fields', it's a great example of layered plucked string. Sounds great especially with a low chord held.

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So is "tony tony chopper" actually "gol", who I guess is a developer of/at Sytrus?

envoy
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envoy wrote:So is "tony tony chopper" actually "gol", who I guess is a developer of/at Sytrus?

envoy
Yup, he revealed his identify in looptalk forum. I think his ID was cool, 3 letters, now it's 3 words.

serge

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I had to, but at the same time it was hardly hidable without getting a new account

(and it's him for those who don't know One Piece:
http://www.manga.sk/Informacie/Recenzie ... hopper.jpg)

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Then, seeing as Gol is doing so much replying, I can think of mainly two things:

1. Why can't a developer let their instrument speak for itself? I certainly understand correcting factual errors in other's postings, but this makes one look pretty desparate.

2. As to the topic in general, there isn't any list of specs, or any number of recommendations, that come even remotely close to the actual experience of downloading a demo and trying it out. No one knows your music like you do, no one knows what will suit your needs like you. Words completely fail at this point - while it is helpful for someone to say "this interface really works for me", etc, the actual sound of an instrument is a personal thing, and post after post won't change it.

Synth A vs. Synth B? Try them out for yourself and decide.

envoy
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A demo shows what the synth does, while specs tell what the synth can do.

Sytrus got better & better presets with time, even when no new feature was added. And it'll get better presets in the future.

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envoy wrote:Then, seeing as Gol is doing so much replying, I can think of mainly two things:

1. Why can't a developer let their instrument speak for itself? I certainly understand correcting factual errors in other's postings, but this makes one look pretty desparate.

2. As to the topic in general, there isn't any list of specs, or any number of recommendations, that come even remotely close to the actual experience of downloading a demo and trying it out. No one knows your music like you do, no one knows what will suit your needs like you. Words completely fail at this point - while it is helpful for someone to say "this interface really works for me", etc, the actual sound of an instrument is a personal thing, and post after post won't change it.

Synth A vs. Synth B? Try them out for yourself and decide.

envoy
i dont see anything wrong with a dev describing AND or promoting his or her own product, it helps :D

however, the demo helps as well.

use both!

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tony tony chopper wrote:can Rhino route a filter to another btw?
No it can't. Filters are only parallel.

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Ya Rhino has no LFO, except the vibrato one.

You can make the oscs low...

And neither one has a (non fm/rm) mod matrix to say, assign one LFO to another, etc...

The most interesting test would be likely to import a buncha DX7 patches on both & listen.

I don't think one is better than the other, I just think they are different in sound and features.

They compliment each other well in a collection 8)

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The most interesting test would be likely to import a buncha DX7 patches on both & listen
not really because I don't think that any imports them very accurately. It's not a problem of features - the DX7 is quite old and both synths cover about everything that's needed to translate its presets, and much more.
And with sines & the same parameters and envelopes, a FM synth will sound exactly like another.

It's more about the format, DX7 patches have their envelope times very hard to decode, and unless Big Tick had more luck than me finding docs (I even looked at the sources of said DX7 emulators - none was the same), it shouldn't be very accurate in Rhino neither.
But I can't comment as it crashed when I tried to import a sysex.

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Here are some Sytrus strings test (and my first real attempt at programming a few realistic Sytrus patches).

While it ain't no GPO or Edirol Orchestral -- it's not bad at all for a pure synth :wink:

http://wttfcweb01.netvigator.com/fileca ... _synth.mp3

http://wttfcweb01.netvigator.com/fileca ... e_Snip.mp3

http://wttfcweb01.netvigator.com/fileca ... nippet.mp3


Okay maybe it sucks, but it sounds great to me :-)

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Just like to put in one more "both" vote. I've had Sytrus longer, but I own both, and they each have their strengths. My biggest downer with respect to sytrus is arguably not a downside at all: its complexity. There's SO MUCH you can do that it's difficult to figure it all out.

Rhino is equally complicated, and while theoretically all FM synths should sound pretty much the same, I'd have to agree that Rhino has a "softer" sound, so there are certain circumstances whre (to me) Rhino's a better pick.

You can't go wrong with either one, but if I HAD to pick only one, my pick would be sytrus, as its sonic character suits my styles of musicmaking better. but then again I'm kinda an IL fanboi as well, heh.

P.S. gol, the oscillator editor in 1.5 is AWESOME. that was one of my biggest complaints about earlier versions. 1.5 is a HUGE revision though, and all the new stuff is great.
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Probably not easy for a Rhino to go "hard" :D
(couldn't help it)

But anyway, just to be fair to the main subject, these two synths shouldn't even be compared. They both have different "characters". It's like comparing an oberheim with a moog (or vice versa).

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Love your blue danube excerpt, Fuego. Very nice.

I have to disagree, though. These two synths have such an overlap of features it's very appropriate that they be compared. Personally, I think Sytrus synthesis flexibility, unison, and FX combined with Rhino's sample and skin support would be ideal... (hmmm, perhaps this is why I like WusikStation so much?)

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Features:

I didn't see this in Gol's listing: can Sytrus utilize any non-12tet tunings (alternate tuning systems)?

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