SAMPLITUDE RULES (DAW Summing)

[Forever Sun]

the soundengineer and the musicans are making the sound not the daw !!!!!!!!

if i make a mix on a mackie analog desk or logic or cubase.... i use the eq's and faders the way, that the final result sounds good to my. on a soundcraft neve, tracktion, samplitude or what ever i do the same so i have to use other eq settings.

can't believe all this discussions for something you only hear, when you listen in direct comparsion. who the hell in real would ever switch between two mixes of the same song.

From what i understand your trying to give the it's not the daw but the engineer speech

I agree absolutely in that a mix done by an excellent engineer on an e.g. 16 bit system would wipe the floor with the 32 bit one made by one with no talent. However that same excellent engineer could make it EVEN better by using 32 bits, so that's not a valid point in my eyes.

Now this is a bit silly, Popsych.
If you have a mix done on a 16 bit system that sounds absolutely amazing, there is absolutely no need to be fussing and trying to make it even better with a 32 bit system.

I know what you are trying to say there, but, a major BUT, we are not constructing space rockets with our DAWs, we are making music.

If it sounds good on a 16 bit DAW, it sounds good, hence Aldi's argument is a very healty one, and in my eyes, he makes a valid point.

[stefancrs]

the soundengineer and the musicans are making the sound not the daw !!!!!!!!

if i make a mix on a mackie analog desk or logic or cubase.... i use the eq's and faders the way, that the final result sounds good to my. on a soundcraft neve, tracktion, samplitude or what ever i do the same so i have to use other eq settings.

can't believe all this discussions for something you only hear, when you listen in direct comparsion. who the hell in real would ever switch between two mixes of the same song.

From what i understand your trying to give the it's not the daw but the engineer speech

I agree absolutely in that a mix done by an excellent engineer on an e.g. 16 bit system would wipe the floor with the 32 bit one made by one with no talent. However that same excellent engineer could make it EVEN better by using 32 bits, so that's not a valid point in my eyes.

Now this is a bit silly, Popsych.
If you have a mix done on a 16 bit system that sounds absolutely amazing, there is absolutely no need to be fussing and trying to make it even better with a 32 bit system.

I know what you are trying to say there, but, a major BUT, we are not constructing space rockets with our DAWs, we are making music.

If it sounds good on a 16 bit DAW, it sounds good, hence Aldi's argument is a very healty one, and in my eyes, he makes a valid point.

What? If it can sound even better by just using 32bit instead, why not use it?

[popsych]

the soundengineer and the musicans are making the sound not the daw !!!!!!!!

if i make a mix on a mackie analog desk or logic or cubase.... i use the eq's and faders the way, that the final result sounds good to my. on a soundcraft neve, tracktion, samplitude or what ever i do the same so i have to use other eq settings.

can't believe all this discussions for something you only hear, when you listen in direct comparsion. who the hell in real would ever switch between two mixes of the same song.

From what i understand your trying to give the it's not the daw but the engineer speech

I agree absolutely in that a mix done by an excellent engineer on an e.g. 16 bit system would wipe the floor with the 32 bit one made by one with no talent. However that same excellent engineer could make it EVEN better by using 32 bits, so that's not a valid point in my eyes.

Now this is a bit silly, Popsych.
If you have a mix done on a 16 bit system that sounds absolutely amazing, there is absolutely no need to be fussing and trying to make it even better with a 32 bit system.

I know what you are trying to say there, but, a major BUT, we are not constructing space rockets with our DAWs, we are making music.

If it sounds good on a 16 bit DAW, it sounds good, hence Aldi's argument is a very healty one, and in my eyes, he makes a valid point.

Not silly at all mate. Did you notice what i said :

I agree absolutely in that a mix done by an excellent engineer on an e.g. 16 bit system would wipe the floor with the 32 bit one made by one with no talent.

It's a comparison. Never said it would be excellent. Then again it could be excellent, but not as much as the one in 32 bit's (i don't anyone will question that - especially for dynamic passages). My point is that since we don't differentiate between Pro:24 bit Consumer:16 i don't see the point of not choosing the better tool when it's available for the same price.

[Forever Sun]

What? If it can sound even better by just using 32bit instead, why not use it?

The point is, if it already sounds great, on whichever system, what is there left to be improved ?

That's what.

[popsych]

What? If it can sound even better by just using 32bit instead, why not use it?

The point is, if it already sounds great, on whichever system, what is there left to be improved ?

That's what.

I think it's matter of different attitude. Good is not Excellent and it doesn't get anywere near perfection. I for one always seek improvement. As a matter of fact i consider doing the best i can my obligation. So if you are satisfied with good : fine. I'm not

(not implying that i am better or anything like that, but that there's always the margin for improvement and i pursue it personally)

[stefancrs]

What? If it can sound even better by just using 32bit instead, why not use it?

The point is, if it already sounds great, on whichever system, what is there left to be improved ?

That's what.

Well, since the noise level will be audible in a 16bit mixing system when the track count is up to like... 4 tracks, there is still stuff to be improved, no?
And that a mix sounds great doesn't mean there's no room left for improvements of it.

[Forever Sun]

Yes, of course. Excellent sound quality is what we aim for. It's not what I'm really questioning here.

Notice, my response was to a particular thought started by Aldi, negated by popsych :

can't believe all this discussions for something you only hear, when you listen in direct comparsion. who the hell in real would ever switch between two mixes of the same song

[stefancrs]

Yes, of course. Excellent sound quality is what we aim for. It's not what I'm really questioning here.

Notice, my response was to a particular thought started by Aldi, negated by popsych :

can't believe all this discussions for something you only hear, when you listen in direct comparsion. who the hell in real would ever switch between two mixes of the same song

FWIW, I often switch between mixes to hear which one is the best. I don't know how you do it.

[Forever Sun]

But do you switch DAWs as well while mixing ? I thought that was the context of this thread ?
Set it in context.

[nuffink]

So what is the deal? Does Samplitude "sound better"? Or sum better, if you will. I currently use Nuendo and have noticed that when I bounce my tracks they seem to loose some definition on the high end and don't seem to be as "punchy". Any thoughts?

The deal is that talentless bedroom superstars think that the latest sequencer is going to help, so they persuade themselves it sounds better.
The deal is talentless bedroom superstars have no idea of physics. Claiming that you can hear differences in two hosts that null to <-150dB is as stupid as sticking your head in a pa bin at a motorhead concert and swearing you can hear a gnat fart at the back of the hall.
If some nutter claimed he could see further into the universe unaided than the hubble telescope or pick out detail in a molecule that an electron microscope misses, people would smile nervously at him and back away. Yet these nutters are claiming that their ears are capable of marvels of a similar magnitude.

Humans (even those with perfect pitch) have terrible aural memory. Whole industries are based on this fact. Most people just accept it and carry on. Some delude themselves that they are somehow different. They are the ones that can hear <-150db differences in sequencers and unmeasurable differences in cables.
Except when tested. Under lab conditions their certainty crumbles. Every time. 100%. No exceptions. Ever.

[stefancrs]

But do you switch DAWs as well while mixing ? I thought that was the context of this thread ?
Set it in context.

No, I do not, because they don't sound different. You weren't comparing DAW's, you were comparing 16bit mixing with 32bit mixing.

[Sascha Franck]

The deal is [...]

Thank you, nuffink, that just summed it up perfectly!
And yes, I'm serious (you need to mention that on KVR, no?).

I've yet to hear something from whatever KVR member that'd make me think about switching hosts due to the sheer sonic quality of the given material.

[RoyNoahJones]

The deal is that talentless bedroom superstars think that the latest sequencer is going to help, so they persuade themselves it sounds better.
The deal is talentless bedroom superstars have no idea of physics. Claiming that you can hear differences in two hosts that null to <-150dB is as stupid as sticking your head in a pa bin at a motorhead concert and swearing you can hear a gnat fart at the back of the hall.

Amen

[popsych]

The deal is that talentless bedroom superstars think that the latest sequencer is going to help, so they persuade themselves it sounds better.
The deal is talentless bedroom superstars have no idea of physics. Claiming that you can hear differences in two hosts that null to <-150dB is as stupid as sticking your head in a pa bin at a motorhead concert and swearing you can hear a gnat fart at the back of the hall.

Amen

How about subconsious perception ? U are able of feeling the difference even though u r not consiounscly hearing it. Don't call me whacked out just yet : look it up at how f*** up our brains are and what tricks our subconsious can play as well as the things it can perceive which are missed when in consious state.

To make things clear i never claimed the reason it sounds good is the engine, but i stated it as a probability.

Bash away

[flex42]

It's probably your subconsciousness hearing 0,1 db differences...