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EoN604 · Post by **EoN604** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:25 am

Hi all,

Just curious to know what the general consensus is regarding these two compressors, and which one people prefer? I find the RComp interface a little nicer, and have been using that mainly, particularily for kicks & basslines (in trance). What do others think? What sound do people prefer?

Or do some use another compressor?

Cheers,
EoN

All_One_Mind · Post by **All_One_Mind** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:50 am

I'm personally a fan of PSP Vintage Warmer for compression. Once I tried that, I stopped using Waves myself. Just personal preference of course.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:13 am

Er...Vintage Warmer isn't really a compressor. It's more about dirtying-up the signal.

It's also not all that good compared to much more subtle stuff that's around these days.

You really shouldn't be using it as a day-to-day compressor.

Well, I say shouldn't; I guess if you think it sounds good and you aren't a jobbing engineer then who cares?

pough · Post by **pough** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:28 pm

championrabbit wrote:Er...Vintage Warmer isn't really a compressor.

It's not!? They should hire you to re-write their product blurb:

PSP VintageWarmer is a high-quality digital simulation of an analog-style, a single or multi band compressor/limiter. ... The plug-in processor is highly flexible and can be used for both single and multi-band compression, as well as brick-wall limiting.

Good thing we have you to set the record straight! Whew! Now that I know it's not a compressor, I won't bother adjusting the knee, speed or release knobs...

cerberus · Post by **cerberus** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:41 pm

RenVox, IMO is very musical. It makes a lot of things sound nice, sort of similar to an LA2A; but I like RenVox better. It's my favorite single band compressor.

cerberus

multree · Post by **multree** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:11 pm

pough wrote:
championrabbit wrote:Er...Vintage Warmer isn't really a compressor.
It's not!? They should hire you to re-write their product blurb:

PSP VintageWarmer is a high-quality digital simulation of an analog-style, a single or multi band compressor/limiter. ... The plug-in processor is highly flexible and can be used for both single and multi-band compression, as well as brick-wall limiting.
Good thing we have you to set the record straight! Whew! Now that I know it's not a compressor, I won't bother adjusting the knee, speed or release knobs...

advaya · Post by **advaya** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:12 pm

Why is it that when someone asks a question such as, "Which is better, A or B?" the response is always, "C!"

I guess I am not much more help here though! I haven't used Waves compressors!

Wayyyy tooo out of my 'price ball-park'! rComp does look quite nice, and straight forward though!

pough · Post by **pough** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:20 pm

advaya wrote:Why is it that when someone asks a question such as, "Which is better, A or B?" the response is always, "C!"

Because there is no answer to the question. Better for what? For whom? What time of day? Different folks, different strokes, different musical tastes and hosts. .. there is no 'better.' It's a farce. And most of us are sick of the question, but we'll be happy to tell you what we do like; it's usually not Waves!

I use SuperCamelPhat for drums, paricularly kick and snare. I use Voxpressor for vocals and guitar. I technically own both compressors asked about, but I uninstalled them long ago. They were nice, but all the other aspects of the software were more pain than they were worth. Waveshell? Shit. PACE? Shit. Keep my money, but don't expect me to actually use your intentionally and stupidly crippled interface.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:16 pm

pough wrote:
championrabbit wrote:Er...Vintage Warmer isn't really a compressor.
It's not!? They should hire you to re-write their product blurb:

PSP VintageWarmer is a high-quality digital simulation of an analog-style, a single or multi band compressor/limiter. ... The plug-in processor is highly flexible and can be used for both single and multi-band compression, as well as brick-wall limiting.
Good thing we have you to set the record straight! Whew! Now that I know it's not a compressor, I won't bother adjusting the knee, speed or release knobs...

Fair enough; I've never heard it used effectively for actual compression.

It's way to grainy to describe as a 'compressor'.

It's a signal dirtier.

pough · Post by **pough** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:35 pm

championrabbit wrote:It's a signal dirtier.

Hmm... that's fair, too, I guess. But they do have some presets that are for track compression. Maybe someone who has used the product much more than myself can say if it's possible to reduce or even remove the "dirtying" aspects of its sound. Can it be used as a clean compressor or should it only be used when wanting to grit up a track?

Shamanix · Post by **Shamanix** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:38 pm

Too bad you don't like it, I just played around with it (VintageWarmer) and realized what a great plugin it is

Awsome for Psytrance Kicks and Basslines!
And it doesn't have to dirty the signal like you say, its all how its set up, the drums I compressed sound crisp clean and punchy, but if you want transparent this is not the right plug that is true.

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:51 pm

VW isn't v practical as a track-by-track comp as it uses too much cpu.

But for submixes, special tracks and the mastering chain the selectable "dirt" sounds great.

There's a new review of it over at traxmusic.

As to a $200 Waves C1 and a $200 RenComp showdown?

I don't know as I ever met anyone who had both before

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:54 pm

kevvvvv wrote:
I don't know as I ever met anyone who had both before

Yeah; that would be crazy.

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:00 pm

C1 is more an everyday everytrack compressor, and even if it is old it is still a standard in many studios. It will not color your sound.

Rcomp like every other plugins in the rennaissance line will color your sound in a "vintage" fashion. It will emulate hardware and their characteristics.

When using them is a matter of taste. Personnally i prefer Rcomp for many acoustics instruments and i use more C1 on drums, electronic stuff, sample based music etc.

wellenrausch · Post by **wellenrausch** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:38 pm

EoN604 wrote:Hi all,

Just curious to know what the general consensus is regarding these two compressors, and which one people prefer? I find the RComp interface a little nicer, and have been using that mainly, particularily for kicks & basslines (in trance). What do others think? What sound do people prefer?

Or do some use another compressor?

Cheers,
EoN

Hi EoN,
currently iam workin on the next production,mixing and mastering book for Waves (published now under sound.org) and i use both compressors you mentioned for the included trance tracks. mainly i use the C1 as a sidechain compressor for my bass tracks and the C1 keeps the sound very natural. the RComp i use mainly for drums (espacially for kicks) because it sounds abit more hotter than the C1 in my ears. the difference is subtle, but the RComp adds some musical colors to the signal. You are right, i also like the interface of the RComp abit more then the "cold" C1 Interface. For the Book Tracks i only used the Waves Plugins, besides that project i use the UAD1 Compressors for my usual Wellenrausch productions and i love them. There are several real good Native Compressors available on market, but as you own the waves babys i think (IMHO) you got 2 of the best native ones already.
Vintage Warmer acts like a Tube Compressor and ofcourse, it a nice compressor and it could add some nice tweaking to your sound.

What kind of Host you are working with? Mac or PC?

Cheerz,
Torsten

Waves C1 vs Waves RComp