Who call a song a "beat"

[jones-y]

<snip> I have learned <snip>

And that's all we can ask. Bravo.

[Sepheritoh]

<snip> I have learned <snip>

And that's all we can ask. Bravo.

You can ask for much more. No guarantees what you'll get though

[jones-y]

<snip> I have learned <snip>

And that's all we can ask. Bravo.

You can ask for much more. No guarantees what you'll get though

Yeah well, its the only thing I would bother ask for. Everything else (in my world-view) is derivative.

After all, if everyone obliged to this simple request, we'd be headed toward a utopian state of being.

[praveen]

Anything can sound silly to you if you want it to. And no, I don't have to admit anything to you. Actually, I think most often the use of slang sounds suave and collected.

What sounds silly to me is your inability to tolerate (or is it a fear of) changing norms in the english language.

Of course Kennedy's impression is funny... He's a comedian. I've never seen this particular skit, but if I assume correctly, he's probably poking fun at the cliche'd image of a white male "trying to sound black." (much like he did in that tired movie he recently did, white boy or whatever) Whatever that means. Frankly, I think that sort of sketch is played out and counterproductive, maybe even subtly racist. Hmmmm... I'll leave the rest up to your imagination.

Also..
You must admit that most often the use of slang just sounds silly, like the person's trying too hard.

Jamie Kennedy does a hilarious impersonation of a slang- laden hip hopper. The entire comedic premise of which is based on how slang often backfires in the users face, revealing what a clueless idiot, or "desperate to belong" outsider one is.


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[jones-y]

I think that sort of sketch is played out and counterproductive, maybe even subtly racist.

I have to disagree here.

The way I see it, humor fosters serious dialogue, minus the tension. It serves a great purpose, if you ask me.

Its in the same vein as the black comics doing the "Joe Suburban Guy, with a wife, 2.5 kids, and a dog named scruffy" skits.

[alvakorn]

It doesn't matter how I call my tracks. They just keep on running in the opposite direction.

[praveen]

Yeah you have a great point and I agree, but I hardly think of Jamie Kennedy as a comedian trying to do any of that

"Family Guy" is a good example of this which works I think

I have to disagree here.

The way I see it, humor fosters serious dialogue, minus the tension. It serves a great purpose, if you ask me.

Its in the same vein as the black comics doing the "Joe Suburban Guy, with a wife, 2.5 kids, and a dog named scruffy" skits.

[1-2-Many]

Errr...

Your opinion, 1-2 (and yes, it is only an opinion) is rather elitist.

I prefer the term purist... I don't mean to come off as an elitist, just hoping that we can all communicate in a meaningful and intelligent manner.

I accept that slang happens as a necesary part of language, and find it amusing as well. I was merely pointing out the humor and pitfalls of its usage.

As for calling my knowledge on the subject "opinion", well, that's an easy refute isn't it, as almost anything can be boiled down to relativistic opinion within a given paradigm? I suggest you do some reading on the subject of linguistics and slang, you'll find many of my points repeated - of course you can just call all that opinion too, thereby keeping your "anti elitist" world intact.

And you do see that labeling me as an "elitist", makes you one as well, in an "anti-elitist elitist" sort of way.

No personal attack, I just despise your stance.

Really??? Sure sounds like ad-hominem to me pal.

[jones-y]

As for calling my knowledge on the subject "opinion", well, that's an easy refute isn't it, as almost anything can be boiled down to relativistic opinion within a given paradigm?

Yes. However, a problem arises when opinion is touted as fact. Everyone takes a set of information and applies a filter to it. Just like the VCO->VCF.

I suggest you do some reading on the subject of linguistics and slang, you'll find many of my points repeated - of course you can just call all that opinion too, thereby keeping your "anti elitist" world intact.

My world will be quite fine, I assure you. Your assumption is that I haven't studied the topic.

I've done quite a bit of study. Primarily on the genesis, propagation, and evolution of the languages used by the African Diaspora.

I've found many of your points repeated, as well as many of mine. In my mind (meaning through the filter I applied to the raw information) your point is wrong. Its my opinion. I've never claimed it to be anything other than that.

And you do see that labeling me as an "elitist", makes you one as well, in an "anti-elitist elitist" sort of way.[/quote

I didn't label you an eletist. I labelled your opinion elitist. See below.

No personal attack, I just despise your stance.

Really??? Sure sounds like ad-hominem to me pal.

What's the difference between:

"You are eletist"

and

"Your opinion is eletist"

[1-2-Many]

What sounds silly to me is your inability to tolerate (or is it a fear of) changing norms in the english language.

Ooooh! this new lingo is sooo new world order! Give be a fuckin break! Given the test of time I think that the day will come, as it does with every generation, when society will look back at the words and phrases they coined with a hearty gut laugh. Sure some will stick, but most will merely be regarded as phasic and silly. Believe me, I speak from experience as a Child of the seventies!

It's also amusing that I'm assumed to be some elitist that "fears" change Amusing, mostly in the way the human brain is so prone to make snap inferences and generalizations into predefined categorical bins of association, based on a small and oft misinterpreted sample.

[jones-y]

<snip> ...new lingo... <snip> ...Sure some will stick,

Which is my point exactly. The creation of 'new lingo' is a process of evolution of language. The only piece missing is the validation. In other words, "This new term is not commonly accepted and used, therefore we'll label it slang."

Amusing, mostly in the way the human brain is so prone to make snap inferences and generalizations into predefined categorical bins of association, based on a small and oft misinterpreted sample.

You speak as if you don't have the exact same tendency.

[1-2-Many]

What's the difference between:

"You are eletist"

and

"Your opinion is eletist"

Come on, that's the oldest trick in the book! It's merely a masked form of ad-hominem. Since the knowledge a person possesses can always be reduced to opinion, and therefore a person can ONLY express opinions, by attacking the person's overall opinion you are in essence attacking the man, rather then addressing the actual points individually.

Hence by saying "your opinions are elitist" you have effectively labelled me an elitist. Neither of which actually adresses the speaking points

[1-2-Many]

You speak as if you don't have the exact same tendency.

No, you only assume I do

Notice I did say "Human Brain" , and I think I'm still in the possesion of one


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[praveen]

I didn't say you were elitist But i will say you're a douchebag

Anyway, its been fun...

Peace
(one of those oh so silly phrases that will soon be "out of fashion")

[jones-y]

What's the difference between:

"You are eletist"

and

"Your opinion is eletist"

Come on, that's the oldest trick in the book! It's merely a masked form of ad-hominem. Since the knowledge a person possesses can always be reduced to opinion, and therefore a person can ONLY express opinions, by attacking the person's overall opinion you are in essence attacking the man, rather then addressing the actual points individually.

Hence by saying "your opinions are elitist" you have effectively labelled me an elitist. Neither of which actually adresses the speaking points

No. If I said "all your opinions are..." then you might have a case. In this case, I speak of only one opinion of yours. What's your opinion on Royal Dutch Shell and its Nigerian operations? I suspect we may agree on that opinion of yours. Have I demonstrated my point?

And I generally don't do tricks. I prefer straight up debate, and I prefer to stand on the weight of my argument.